Can I get a paladin's steed by True Polymorphing into a monster that can cast Find Steed?





.everyoneloves__top-leaderboard:empty,.everyoneloves__mid-leaderboard:empty,.everyoneloves__bot-mid-leaderboard:empty{ margin-bottom:0;
}







1












$begingroup$


I want to cast Find Steed. I don't want to take levels in Bard, Thief Rogue, Wizard, or Paladin.



I had the idea that I could True Polymorph into a creature that has the Use Magic Device ability, or access to the Paladin spell list, and then cast Find Steed off of a paladin scroll.



background reference: What creatures can cast spells from spell scrolls?



Question



Is it even viable in theory that a character without access to paladin spells uses True Polymorph to turn into a creature who can use paladin spells, casts Find Steed from a scroll and then retains the summoned steed afterwards?



An important follow-up question: what is an example of a published creature able to use paladin spell scrolls? I want to satisfy the case where the DM insists that you need to have a published creature of some sort in order to cast True Polymorph.










share|improve this question











$endgroup$



















    1












    $begingroup$


    I want to cast Find Steed. I don't want to take levels in Bard, Thief Rogue, Wizard, or Paladin.



    I had the idea that I could True Polymorph into a creature that has the Use Magic Device ability, or access to the Paladin spell list, and then cast Find Steed off of a paladin scroll.



    background reference: What creatures can cast spells from spell scrolls?



    Question



    Is it even viable in theory that a character without access to paladin spells uses True Polymorph to turn into a creature who can use paladin spells, casts Find Steed from a scroll and then retains the summoned steed afterwards?



    An important follow-up question: what is an example of a published creature able to use paladin spell scrolls? I want to satisfy the case where the DM insists that you need to have a published creature of some sort in order to cast True Polymorph.










    share|improve this question











    $endgroup$















      1












      1








      1





      $begingroup$


      I want to cast Find Steed. I don't want to take levels in Bard, Thief Rogue, Wizard, or Paladin.



      I had the idea that I could True Polymorph into a creature that has the Use Magic Device ability, or access to the Paladin spell list, and then cast Find Steed off of a paladin scroll.



      background reference: What creatures can cast spells from spell scrolls?



      Question



      Is it even viable in theory that a character without access to paladin spells uses True Polymorph to turn into a creature who can use paladin spells, casts Find Steed from a scroll and then retains the summoned steed afterwards?



      An important follow-up question: what is an example of a published creature able to use paladin spell scrolls? I want to satisfy the case where the DM insists that you need to have a published creature of some sort in order to cast True Polymorph.










      share|improve this question











      $endgroup$




      I want to cast Find Steed. I don't want to take levels in Bard, Thief Rogue, Wizard, or Paladin.



      I had the idea that I could True Polymorph into a creature that has the Use Magic Device ability, or access to the Paladin spell list, and then cast Find Steed off of a paladin scroll.



      background reference: What creatures can cast spells from spell scrolls?



      Question



      Is it even viable in theory that a character without access to paladin spells uses True Polymorph to turn into a creature who can use paladin spells, casts Find Steed from a scroll and then retains the summoned steed afterwards?



      An important follow-up question: what is an example of a published creature able to use paladin spell scrolls? I want to satisfy the case where the DM insists that you need to have a published creature of some sort in order to cast True Polymorph.







      dnd-5e spells monsters paladin






      share|improve this question















      share|improve this question













      share|improve this question




      share|improve this question








      edited 33 mins ago







      Ben Barden

















      asked 1 hour ago









      Ben BardenBen Barden

      12.4k23067




      12.4k23067






















          2 Answers
          2






          active

          oldest

          votes


















          7












          $begingroup$

          Yes, you can use those scrolls if the true polymorph form can



          True polymorph states:




          The target's game statistics, including mental ability scores, are replaced by the statistics of the new form. It retains its alignment and personality.




          The class feature that allows the form to count as a paladin (or have the paladin's Spellcasting) for the purpose of magic items is included in the game statistics, so you gain them while under the effect of true polymorph.



          This answer discusses why monsters with the Spellcasting special trait can use spell scrolls if their connected class spell list contains the spell on the scroll. The Introduction explains that this special trait works the same as the class feature in the Player's Handbook:




          A monster with the Spellcasting class feature has a spellcaster level and spell slots, which it uses to cast its spells of 1st level and higher (as explained in the Player’s Handbook).



          The monster has a list of spells known or prepared from a particular class... The monster is considered a member of that class when attuning to or using a magic item that requires membership in the class or access to its spell list.




          One such monster for paladins is the Death Knight from the Monster Manual (you can use this D&D Beyond search to see all of the potential options, there may be some spoilers for adventure modules):




          The death knight is a 19th-level spellcaster... It has the following paladin spells prepared:




          Does a found steed persist?



          The found steed will indeed persist and heed your commands as "you" have not become a different entity. You are merely assuming a different form:




          If you turn a creature into another kind of creature, the new form...




          However, the language the steed learns will have to be one that the new form speaks...




          [the steed] gains the ability to understand one language of your choice that you speak.




          since at the time where the steed gains the language, your ability to speak particular languages may change.






          share|improve this answer











          $endgroup$









          • 1




            $begingroup$
            @NautArch Let us continue this discussion in chat
            $endgroup$
            – David Coffron
            58 mins ago



















          2












          $begingroup$

          Yes, you can True Polymorph into a creature that can cast paladin spells to cast Find Steed from a scroll, but there are simpler ways to achieve the same thing.



          Blackguards and Deathknights can cast paladin spells, so once you have polymorphed into such a creature, you can use paladin scrolls, and therefore cast Find Steed. You would retain the steed afterwards, as the steed only disappears when you either dismiss it or it drops to 0 hit points.



          However, this is a really expensive way to cast Find Steed unless you're a 17th-level spellcaster or higher, as True Polymorph is a 9th level spell.



          Another idea: Spell Storing.



          This would achieve the same thing in a different way, and might be accessible to you long before you're able to cast 9th level spells like True Polymorph.



          You'd need to find a Ring of Spell Storing or a Shield Guardian, and ask a friendly Paladin to cast Find Steed into the ring or guardian.



          From the Ring of Spell Storing description:




          Any creature can cast a spell of 1st through 5th level into the ring by touching the ring as the spell is cast. The spell has no effect, other than to be stored in the ring.




          This would allow you to later cast Find Steed yourself:




          While wearing this ring, you can cast any spell stored in it. The spell uses the slot level, spell save DC, spell attack bonus, and spellcasting ability of the original caster, but is otherwise treated as if you cast the spell.




          Third idea: dip into Paladin



          Multiclassing to take a single level in Paladin (you might not consider yourself to be "playing a paladin" at that point) will let you cast spells from paladin spell scrolls.




          If the spell is on your class’s spell list, you can read the scroll and cast its spell without providing any material components.




          You'll need to make a DC 12 Arcana check though:




          If the spell is on your class’s spell list but of a higher level than you can normally cast, you must make an ability check using your spellcasting ability to determine whether you cast it successfully. The DC equals 10 + the spell’s level. On a failed check, the spell disappears from the scroll with no other effect.




          Fourth idea: Wish.



          Why cast True Polymorph and waste a spell scroll when using a different 9th level spell, you can achieve the same thing?



          From the Wish spell's description:




          The basic use of this spell is to duplicate any other spell of 8th level or lower. You don't need to meet any requirements in that spell, including costly components. The spell simply takes effect.




          If you have access to 9th level spells anyway, why not simply wish for a steed?






          share|improve this answer











          $endgroup$









          • 2




            $begingroup$
            Your first idea adds nothing to the existing answer. Your second idea is not an answer to the specific question. Your third idea not only is not an answer to the question, it calls for doing something that was specifically rejected by the question text.
            $endgroup$
            – Ben Barden
            36 mins ago










          • $begingroup$
            I started writing my answer before there was any other answer. There's no need to chide someone for answering a question you asked. Also, your question had -5 before I edited it. You're welcome.
            $endgroup$
            – Apocalisp
            35 mins ago












          • $begingroup$
            Also, there is no reason two answers that say the same thing can't exist. Some people might prefer the way he worded or presented the information. +1 ; although you may need 2 levels of paladin to get the spell list (it's controversial, see this question)
            $endgroup$
            – David Coffron
            34 mins ago












          • $begingroup$
            While the primary answer here is duplicated by David's, you haven't actually added the support that he has. You may want to just reference his answer and use your other ideas as more of a frame challenge. Including an unsupported answer to Ben's primary question I think is doing you a disservice.
            $endgroup$
            – NautArch
            7 mins ago










          • $begingroup$
            For wish: that requires that you personally be able to cast wish. True Polymorph is available in some cases where wish is not (warlocks, bards, simply not having it on the spell list, having had wish burned out of you by general use), and can be cast by someone other than the person who is receiving the steed. You are trying to answer the "what are all the ways we can do this" question, and that's not the question that was asked. If you want to ask that question and self-answer, I invite you to do so.
            $endgroup$
            – Ben Barden
            7 mins ago














          Your Answer








          StackExchange.ready(function() {
          var channelOptions = {
          tags: "".split(" "),
          id: "122"
          };
          initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);

          StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function() {
          // Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
          if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled) {
          StackExchange.using("snippets", function() {
          createEditor();
          });
          }
          else {
          createEditor();
          }
          });

          function createEditor() {
          StackExchange.prepareEditor({
          heartbeatType: 'answer',
          autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
          convertImagesToLinks: false,
          noModals: true,
          showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
          reputationToPostImages: null,
          bindNavPrevention: true,
          postfix: "",
          imageUploader: {
          brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
          contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
          allowUrls: true
          },
          noCode: true, onDemand: true,
          discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
          ,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
          });


          }
          });














          draft saved

          draft discarded


















          StackExchange.ready(
          function () {
          StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2frpg.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f147175%2fcan-i-get-a-paladins-steed-by-true-polymorphing-into-a-monster-that-can-cast-fi%23new-answer', 'question_page');
          }
          );

          Post as a guest















          Required, but never shown

























          2 Answers
          2






          active

          oldest

          votes








          2 Answers
          2






          active

          oldest

          votes









          active

          oldest

          votes






          active

          oldest

          votes









          7












          $begingroup$

          Yes, you can use those scrolls if the true polymorph form can



          True polymorph states:




          The target's game statistics, including mental ability scores, are replaced by the statistics of the new form. It retains its alignment and personality.




          The class feature that allows the form to count as a paladin (or have the paladin's Spellcasting) for the purpose of magic items is included in the game statistics, so you gain them while under the effect of true polymorph.



          This answer discusses why monsters with the Spellcasting special trait can use spell scrolls if their connected class spell list contains the spell on the scroll. The Introduction explains that this special trait works the same as the class feature in the Player's Handbook:




          A monster with the Spellcasting class feature has a spellcaster level and spell slots, which it uses to cast its spells of 1st level and higher (as explained in the Player’s Handbook).



          The monster has a list of spells known or prepared from a particular class... The monster is considered a member of that class when attuning to or using a magic item that requires membership in the class or access to its spell list.




          One such monster for paladins is the Death Knight from the Monster Manual (you can use this D&D Beyond search to see all of the potential options, there may be some spoilers for adventure modules):




          The death knight is a 19th-level spellcaster... It has the following paladin spells prepared:




          Does a found steed persist?



          The found steed will indeed persist and heed your commands as "you" have not become a different entity. You are merely assuming a different form:




          If you turn a creature into another kind of creature, the new form...




          However, the language the steed learns will have to be one that the new form speaks...




          [the steed] gains the ability to understand one language of your choice that you speak.




          since at the time where the steed gains the language, your ability to speak particular languages may change.






          share|improve this answer











          $endgroup$









          • 1




            $begingroup$
            @NautArch Let us continue this discussion in chat
            $endgroup$
            – David Coffron
            58 mins ago
















          7












          $begingroup$

          Yes, you can use those scrolls if the true polymorph form can



          True polymorph states:




          The target's game statistics, including mental ability scores, are replaced by the statistics of the new form. It retains its alignment and personality.




          The class feature that allows the form to count as a paladin (or have the paladin's Spellcasting) for the purpose of magic items is included in the game statistics, so you gain them while under the effect of true polymorph.



          This answer discusses why monsters with the Spellcasting special trait can use spell scrolls if their connected class spell list contains the spell on the scroll. The Introduction explains that this special trait works the same as the class feature in the Player's Handbook:




          A monster with the Spellcasting class feature has a spellcaster level and spell slots, which it uses to cast its spells of 1st level and higher (as explained in the Player’s Handbook).



          The monster has a list of spells known or prepared from a particular class... The monster is considered a member of that class when attuning to or using a magic item that requires membership in the class or access to its spell list.




          One such monster for paladins is the Death Knight from the Monster Manual (you can use this D&D Beyond search to see all of the potential options, there may be some spoilers for adventure modules):




          The death knight is a 19th-level spellcaster... It has the following paladin spells prepared:




          Does a found steed persist?



          The found steed will indeed persist and heed your commands as "you" have not become a different entity. You are merely assuming a different form:




          If you turn a creature into another kind of creature, the new form...




          However, the language the steed learns will have to be one that the new form speaks...




          [the steed] gains the ability to understand one language of your choice that you speak.




          since at the time where the steed gains the language, your ability to speak particular languages may change.






          share|improve this answer











          $endgroup$









          • 1




            $begingroup$
            @NautArch Let us continue this discussion in chat
            $endgroup$
            – David Coffron
            58 mins ago














          7












          7








          7





          $begingroup$

          Yes, you can use those scrolls if the true polymorph form can



          True polymorph states:




          The target's game statistics, including mental ability scores, are replaced by the statistics of the new form. It retains its alignment and personality.




          The class feature that allows the form to count as a paladin (or have the paladin's Spellcasting) for the purpose of magic items is included in the game statistics, so you gain them while under the effect of true polymorph.



          This answer discusses why monsters with the Spellcasting special trait can use spell scrolls if their connected class spell list contains the spell on the scroll. The Introduction explains that this special trait works the same as the class feature in the Player's Handbook:




          A monster with the Spellcasting class feature has a spellcaster level and spell slots, which it uses to cast its spells of 1st level and higher (as explained in the Player’s Handbook).



          The monster has a list of spells known or prepared from a particular class... The monster is considered a member of that class when attuning to or using a magic item that requires membership in the class or access to its spell list.




          One such monster for paladins is the Death Knight from the Monster Manual (you can use this D&D Beyond search to see all of the potential options, there may be some spoilers for adventure modules):




          The death knight is a 19th-level spellcaster... It has the following paladin spells prepared:




          Does a found steed persist?



          The found steed will indeed persist and heed your commands as "you" have not become a different entity. You are merely assuming a different form:




          If you turn a creature into another kind of creature, the new form...




          However, the language the steed learns will have to be one that the new form speaks...




          [the steed] gains the ability to understand one language of your choice that you speak.




          since at the time where the steed gains the language, your ability to speak particular languages may change.






          share|improve this answer











          $endgroup$



          Yes, you can use those scrolls if the true polymorph form can



          True polymorph states:




          The target's game statistics, including mental ability scores, are replaced by the statistics of the new form. It retains its alignment and personality.




          The class feature that allows the form to count as a paladin (or have the paladin's Spellcasting) for the purpose of magic items is included in the game statistics, so you gain them while under the effect of true polymorph.



          This answer discusses why monsters with the Spellcasting special trait can use spell scrolls if their connected class spell list contains the spell on the scroll. The Introduction explains that this special trait works the same as the class feature in the Player's Handbook:




          A monster with the Spellcasting class feature has a spellcaster level and spell slots, which it uses to cast its spells of 1st level and higher (as explained in the Player’s Handbook).



          The monster has a list of spells known or prepared from a particular class... The monster is considered a member of that class when attuning to or using a magic item that requires membership in the class or access to its spell list.




          One such monster for paladins is the Death Knight from the Monster Manual (you can use this D&D Beyond search to see all of the potential options, there may be some spoilers for adventure modules):




          The death knight is a 19th-level spellcaster... It has the following paladin spells prepared:




          Does a found steed persist?



          The found steed will indeed persist and heed your commands as "you" have not become a different entity. You are merely assuming a different form:




          If you turn a creature into another kind of creature, the new form...




          However, the language the steed learns will have to be one that the new form speaks...




          [the steed] gains the ability to understand one language of your choice that you speak.




          since at the time where the steed gains the language, your ability to speak particular languages may change.







          share|improve this answer














          share|improve this answer



          share|improve this answer








          edited 25 mins ago









          NathanS

          27.4k10135288




          27.4k10135288










          answered 1 hour ago









          David CoffronDavid Coffron

          41.4k3141297




          41.4k3141297








          • 1




            $begingroup$
            @NautArch Let us continue this discussion in chat
            $endgroup$
            – David Coffron
            58 mins ago














          • 1




            $begingroup$
            @NautArch Let us continue this discussion in chat
            $endgroup$
            – David Coffron
            58 mins ago








          1




          1




          $begingroup$
          @NautArch Let us continue this discussion in chat
          $endgroup$
          – David Coffron
          58 mins ago




          $begingroup$
          @NautArch Let us continue this discussion in chat
          $endgroup$
          – David Coffron
          58 mins ago













          2












          $begingroup$

          Yes, you can True Polymorph into a creature that can cast paladin spells to cast Find Steed from a scroll, but there are simpler ways to achieve the same thing.



          Blackguards and Deathknights can cast paladin spells, so once you have polymorphed into such a creature, you can use paladin scrolls, and therefore cast Find Steed. You would retain the steed afterwards, as the steed only disappears when you either dismiss it or it drops to 0 hit points.



          However, this is a really expensive way to cast Find Steed unless you're a 17th-level spellcaster or higher, as True Polymorph is a 9th level spell.



          Another idea: Spell Storing.



          This would achieve the same thing in a different way, and might be accessible to you long before you're able to cast 9th level spells like True Polymorph.



          You'd need to find a Ring of Spell Storing or a Shield Guardian, and ask a friendly Paladin to cast Find Steed into the ring or guardian.



          From the Ring of Spell Storing description:




          Any creature can cast a spell of 1st through 5th level into the ring by touching the ring as the spell is cast. The spell has no effect, other than to be stored in the ring.




          This would allow you to later cast Find Steed yourself:




          While wearing this ring, you can cast any spell stored in it. The spell uses the slot level, spell save DC, spell attack bonus, and spellcasting ability of the original caster, but is otherwise treated as if you cast the spell.




          Third idea: dip into Paladin



          Multiclassing to take a single level in Paladin (you might not consider yourself to be "playing a paladin" at that point) will let you cast spells from paladin spell scrolls.




          If the spell is on your class’s spell list, you can read the scroll and cast its spell without providing any material components.




          You'll need to make a DC 12 Arcana check though:




          If the spell is on your class’s spell list but of a higher level than you can normally cast, you must make an ability check using your spellcasting ability to determine whether you cast it successfully. The DC equals 10 + the spell’s level. On a failed check, the spell disappears from the scroll with no other effect.




          Fourth idea: Wish.



          Why cast True Polymorph and waste a spell scroll when using a different 9th level spell, you can achieve the same thing?



          From the Wish spell's description:




          The basic use of this spell is to duplicate any other spell of 8th level or lower. You don't need to meet any requirements in that spell, including costly components. The spell simply takes effect.




          If you have access to 9th level spells anyway, why not simply wish for a steed?






          share|improve this answer











          $endgroup$









          • 2




            $begingroup$
            Your first idea adds nothing to the existing answer. Your second idea is not an answer to the specific question. Your third idea not only is not an answer to the question, it calls for doing something that was specifically rejected by the question text.
            $endgroup$
            – Ben Barden
            36 mins ago










          • $begingroup$
            I started writing my answer before there was any other answer. There's no need to chide someone for answering a question you asked. Also, your question had -5 before I edited it. You're welcome.
            $endgroup$
            – Apocalisp
            35 mins ago












          • $begingroup$
            Also, there is no reason two answers that say the same thing can't exist. Some people might prefer the way he worded or presented the information. +1 ; although you may need 2 levels of paladin to get the spell list (it's controversial, see this question)
            $endgroup$
            – David Coffron
            34 mins ago












          • $begingroup$
            While the primary answer here is duplicated by David's, you haven't actually added the support that he has. You may want to just reference his answer and use your other ideas as more of a frame challenge. Including an unsupported answer to Ben's primary question I think is doing you a disservice.
            $endgroup$
            – NautArch
            7 mins ago










          • $begingroup$
            For wish: that requires that you personally be able to cast wish. True Polymorph is available in some cases where wish is not (warlocks, bards, simply not having it on the spell list, having had wish burned out of you by general use), and can be cast by someone other than the person who is receiving the steed. You are trying to answer the "what are all the ways we can do this" question, and that's not the question that was asked. If you want to ask that question and self-answer, I invite you to do so.
            $endgroup$
            – Ben Barden
            7 mins ago


















          2












          $begingroup$

          Yes, you can True Polymorph into a creature that can cast paladin spells to cast Find Steed from a scroll, but there are simpler ways to achieve the same thing.



          Blackguards and Deathknights can cast paladin spells, so once you have polymorphed into such a creature, you can use paladin scrolls, and therefore cast Find Steed. You would retain the steed afterwards, as the steed only disappears when you either dismiss it or it drops to 0 hit points.



          However, this is a really expensive way to cast Find Steed unless you're a 17th-level spellcaster or higher, as True Polymorph is a 9th level spell.



          Another idea: Spell Storing.



          This would achieve the same thing in a different way, and might be accessible to you long before you're able to cast 9th level spells like True Polymorph.



          You'd need to find a Ring of Spell Storing or a Shield Guardian, and ask a friendly Paladin to cast Find Steed into the ring or guardian.



          From the Ring of Spell Storing description:




          Any creature can cast a spell of 1st through 5th level into the ring by touching the ring as the spell is cast. The spell has no effect, other than to be stored in the ring.




          This would allow you to later cast Find Steed yourself:




          While wearing this ring, you can cast any spell stored in it. The spell uses the slot level, spell save DC, spell attack bonus, and spellcasting ability of the original caster, but is otherwise treated as if you cast the spell.




          Third idea: dip into Paladin



          Multiclassing to take a single level in Paladin (you might not consider yourself to be "playing a paladin" at that point) will let you cast spells from paladin spell scrolls.




          If the spell is on your class’s spell list, you can read the scroll and cast its spell without providing any material components.




          You'll need to make a DC 12 Arcana check though:




          If the spell is on your class’s spell list but of a higher level than you can normally cast, you must make an ability check using your spellcasting ability to determine whether you cast it successfully. The DC equals 10 + the spell’s level. On a failed check, the spell disappears from the scroll with no other effect.




          Fourth idea: Wish.



          Why cast True Polymorph and waste a spell scroll when using a different 9th level spell, you can achieve the same thing?



          From the Wish spell's description:




          The basic use of this spell is to duplicate any other spell of 8th level or lower. You don't need to meet any requirements in that spell, including costly components. The spell simply takes effect.




          If you have access to 9th level spells anyway, why not simply wish for a steed?






          share|improve this answer











          $endgroup$









          • 2




            $begingroup$
            Your first idea adds nothing to the existing answer. Your second idea is not an answer to the specific question. Your third idea not only is not an answer to the question, it calls for doing something that was specifically rejected by the question text.
            $endgroup$
            – Ben Barden
            36 mins ago










          • $begingroup$
            I started writing my answer before there was any other answer. There's no need to chide someone for answering a question you asked. Also, your question had -5 before I edited it. You're welcome.
            $endgroup$
            – Apocalisp
            35 mins ago












          • $begingroup$
            Also, there is no reason two answers that say the same thing can't exist. Some people might prefer the way he worded or presented the information. +1 ; although you may need 2 levels of paladin to get the spell list (it's controversial, see this question)
            $endgroup$
            – David Coffron
            34 mins ago












          • $begingroup$
            While the primary answer here is duplicated by David's, you haven't actually added the support that he has. You may want to just reference his answer and use your other ideas as more of a frame challenge. Including an unsupported answer to Ben's primary question I think is doing you a disservice.
            $endgroup$
            – NautArch
            7 mins ago










          • $begingroup$
            For wish: that requires that you personally be able to cast wish. True Polymorph is available in some cases where wish is not (warlocks, bards, simply not having it on the spell list, having had wish burned out of you by general use), and can be cast by someone other than the person who is receiving the steed. You are trying to answer the "what are all the ways we can do this" question, and that's not the question that was asked. If you want to ask that question and self-answer, I invite you to do so.
            $endgroup$
            – Ben Barden
            7 mins ago
















          2












          2








          2





          $begingroup$

          Yes, you can True Polymorph into a creature that can cast paladin spells to cast Find Steed from a scroll, but there are simpler ways to achieve the same thing.



          Blackguards and Deathknights can cast paladin spells, so once you have polymorphed into such a creature, you can use paladin scrolls, and therefore cast Find Steed. You would retain the steed afterwards, as the steed only disappears when you either dismiss it or it drops to 0 hit points.



          However, this is a really expensive way to cast Find Steed unless you're a 17th-level spellcaster or higher, as True Polymorph is a 9th level spell.



          Another idea: Spell Storing.



          This would achieve the same thing in a different way, and might be accessible to you long before you're able to cast 9th level spells like True Polymorph.



          You'd need to find a Ring of Spell Storing or a Shield Guardian, and ask a friendly Paladin to cast Find Steed into the ring or guardian.



          From the Ring of Spell Storing description:




          Any creature can cast a spell of 1st through 5th level into the ring by touching the ring as the spell is cast. The spell has no effect, other than to be stored in the ring.




          This would allow you to later cast Find Steed yourself:




          While wearing this ring, you can cast any spell stored in it. The spell uses the slot level, spell save DC, spell attack bonus, and spellcasting ability of the original caster, but is otherwise treated as if you cast the spell.




          Third idea: dip into Paladin



          Multiclassing to take a single level in Paladin (you might not consider yourself to be "playing a paladin" at that point) will let you cast spells from paladin spell scrolls.




          If the spell is on your class’s spell list, you can read the scroll and cast its spell without providing any material components.




          You'll need to make a DC 12 Arcana check though:




          If the spell is on your class’s spell list but of a higher level than you can normally cast, you must make an ability check using your spellcasting ability to determine whether you cast it successfully. The DC equals 10 + the spell’s level. On a failed check, the spell disappears from the scroll with no other effect.




          Fourth idea: Wish.



          Why cast True Polymorph and waste a spell scroll when using a different 9th level spell, you can achieve the same thing?



          From the Wish spell's description:




          The basic use of this spell is to duplicate any other spell of 8th level or lower. You don't need to meet any requirements in that spell, including costly components. The spell simply takes effect.




          If you have access to 9th level spells anyway, why not simply wish for a steed?






          share|improve this answer











          $endgroup$



          Yes, you can True Polymorph into a creature that can cast paladin spells to cast Find Steed from a scroll, but there are simpler ways to achieve the same thing.



          Blackguards and Deathknights can cast paladin spells, so once you have polymorphed into such a creature, you can use paladin scrolls, and therefore cast Find Steed. You would retain the steed afterwards, as the steed only disappears when you either dismiss it or it drops to 0 hit points.



          However, this is a really expensive way to cast Find Steed unless you're a 17th-level spellcaster or higher, as True Polymorph is a 9th level spell.



          Another idea: Spell Storing.



          This would achieve the same thing in a different way, and might be accessible to you long before you're able to cast 9th level spells like True Polymorph.



          You'd need to find a Ring of Spell Storing or a Shield Guardian, and ask a friendly Paladin to cast Find Steed into the ring or guardian.



          From the Ring of Spell Storing description:




          Any creature can cast a spell of 1st through 5th level into the ring by touching the ring as the spell is cast. The spell has no effect, other than to be stored in the ring.




          This would allow you to later cast Find Steed yourself:




          While wearing this ring, you can cast any spell stored in it. The spell uses the slot level, spell save DC, spell attack bonus, and spellcasting ability of the original caster, but is otherwise treated as if you cast the spell.




          Third idea: dip into Paladin



          Multiclassing to take a single level in Paladin (you might not consider yourself to be "playing a paladin" at that point) will let you cast spells from paladin spell scrolls.




          If the spell is on your class’s spell list, you can read the scroll and cast its spell without providing any material components.




          You'll need to make a DC 12 Arcana check though:




          If the spell is on your class’s spell list but of a higher level than you can normally cast, you must make an ability check using your spellcasting ability to determine whether you cast it successfully. The DC equals 10 + the spell’s level. On a failed check, the spell disappears from the scroll with no other effect.




          Fourth idea: Wish.



          Why cast True Polymorph and waste a spell scroll when using a different 9th level spell, you can achieve the same thing?



          From the Wish spell's description:




          The basic use of this spell is to duplicate any other spell of 8th level or lower. You don't need to meet any requirements in that spell, including costly components. The spell simply takes effect.




          If you have access to 9th level spells anyway, why not simply wish for a steed?







          share|improve this answer














          share|improve this answer



          share|improve this answer








          edited 44 secs ago

























          answered 43 mins ago









          ApocalispApocalisp

          3,1081039




          3,1081039








          • 2




            $begingroup$
            Your first idea adds nothing to the existing answer. Your second idea is not an answer to the specific question. Your third idea not only is not an answer to the question, it calls for doing something that was specifically rejected by the question text.
            $endgroup$
            – Ben Barden
            36 mins ago










          • $begingroup$
            I started writing my answer before there was any other answer. There's no need to chide someone for answering a question you asked. Also, your question had -5 before I edited it. You're welcome.
            $endgroup$
            – Apocalisp
            35 mins ago












          • $begingroup$
            Also, there is no reason two answers that say the same thing can't exist. Some people might prefer the way he worded or presented the information. +1 ; although you may need 2 levels of paladin to get the spell list (it's controversial, see this question)
            $endgroup$
            – David Coffron
            34 mins ago












          • $begingroup$
            While the primary answer here is duplicated by David's, you haven't actually added the support that he has. You may want to just reference his answer and use your other ideas as more of a frame challenge. Including an unsupported answer to Ben's primary question I think is doing you a disservice.
            $endgroup$
            – NautArch
            7 mins ago










          • $begingroup$
            For wish: that requires that you personally be able to cast wish. True Polymorph is available in some cases where wish is not (warlocks, bards, simply not having it on the spell list, having had wish burned out of you by general use), and can be cast by someone other than the person who is receiving the steed. You are trying to answer the "what are all the ways we can do this" question, and that's not the question that was asked. If you want to ask that question and self-answer, I invite you to do so.
            $endgroup$
            – Ben Barden
            7 mins ago
















          • 2




            $begingroup$
            Your first idea adds nothing to the existing answer. Your second idea is not an answer to the specific question. Your third idea not only is not an answer to the question, it calls for doing something that was specifically rejected by the question text.
            $endgroup$
            – Ben Barden
            36 mins ago










          • $begingroup$
            I started writing my answer before there was any other answer. There's no need to chide someone for answering a question you asked. Also, your question had -5 before I edited it. You're welcome.
            $endgroup$
            – Apocalisp
            35 mins ago












          • $begingroup$
            Also, there is no reason two answers that say the same thing can't exist. Some people might prefer the way he worded or presented the information. +1 ; although you may need 2 levels of paladin to get the spell list (it's controversial, see this question)
            $endgroup$
            – David Coffron
            34 mins ago












          • $begingroup$
            While the primary answer here is duplicated by David's, you haven't actually added the support that he has. You may want to just reference his answer and use your other ideas as more of a frame challenge. Including an unsupported answer to Ben's primary question I think is doing you a disservice.
            $endgroup$
            – NautArch
            7 mins ago










          • $begingroup$
            For wish: that requires that you personally be able to cast wish. True Polymorph is available in some cases where wish is not (warlocks, bards, simply not having it on the spell list, having had wish burned out of you by general use), and can be cast by someone other than the person who is receiving the steed. You are trying to answer the "what are all the ways we can do this" question, and that's not the question that was asked. If you want to ask that question and self-answer, I invite you to do so.
            $endgroup$
            – Ben Barden
            7 mins ago










          2




          2




          $begingroup$
          Your first idea adds nothing to the existing answer. Your second idea is not an answer to the specific question. Your third idea not only is not an answer to the question, it calls for doing something that was specifically rejected by the question text.
          $endgroup$
          – Ben Barden
          36 mins ago




          $begingroup$
          Your first idea adds nothing to the existing answer. Your second idea is not an answer to the specific question. Your third idea not only is not an answer to the question, it calls for doing something that was specifically rejected by the question text.
          $endgroup$
          – Ben Barden
          36 mins ago












          $begingroup$
          I started writing my answer before there was any other answer. There's no need to chide someone for answering a question you asked. Also, your question had -5 before I edited it. You're welcome.
          $endgroup$
          – Apocalisp
          35 mins ago






          $begingroup$
          I started writing my answer before there was any other answer. There's no need to chide someone for answering a question you asked. Also, your question had -5 before I edited it. You're welcome.
          $endgroup$
          – Apocalisp
          35 mins ago














          $begingroup$
          Also, there is no reason two answers that say the same thing can't exist. Some people might prefer the way he worded or presented the information. +1 ; although you may need 2 levels of paladin to get the spell list (it's controversial, see this question)
          $endgroup$
          – David Coffron
          34 mins ago






          $begingroup$
          Also, there is no reason two answers that say the same thing can't exist. Some people might prefer the way he worded or presented the information. +1 ; although you may need 2 levels of paladin to get the spell list (it's controversial, see this question)
          $endgroup$
          – David Coffron
          34 mins ago














          $begingroup$
          While the primary answer here is duplicated by David's, you haven't actually added the support that he has. You may want to just reference his answer and use your other ideas as more of a frame challenge. Including an unsupported answer to Ben's primary question I think is doing you a disservice.
          $endgroup$
          – NautArch
          7 mins ago




          $begingroup$
          While the primary answer here is duplicated by David's, you haven't actually added the support that he has. You may want to just reference his answer and use your other ideas as more of a frame challenge. Including an unsupported answer to Ben's primary question I think is doing you a disservice.
          $endgroup$
          – NautArch
          7 mins ago












          $begingroup$
          For wish: that requires that you personally be able to cast wish. True Polymorph is available in some cases where wish is not (warlocks, bards, simply not having it on the spell list, having had wish burned out of you by general use), and can be cast by someone other than the person who is receiving the steed. You are trying to answer the "what are all the ways we can do this" question, and that's not the question that was asked. If you want to ask that question and self-answer, I invite you to do so.
          $endgroup$
          – Ben Barden
          7 mins ago






          $begingroup$
          For wish: that requires that you personally be able to cast wish. True Polymorph is available in some cases where wish is not (warlocks, bards, simply not having it on the spell list, having had wish burned out of you by general use), and can be cast by someone other than the person who is receiving the steed. You are trying to answer the "what are all the ways we can do this" question, and that's not the question that was asked. If you want to ask that question and self-answer, I invite you to do so.
          $endgroup$
          – Ben Barden
          7 mins ago




















          draft saved

          draft discarded




















































          Thanks for contributing an answer to Role-playing Games Stack Exchange!


          • Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!

          But avoid



          • Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.

          • Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.


          Use MathJax to format equations. MathJax reference.


          To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.




          draft saved


          draft discarded














          StackExchange.ready(
          function () {
          StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2frpg.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f147175%2fcan-i-get-a-paladins-steed-by-true-polymorphing-into-a-monster-that-can-cast-fi%23new-answer', 'question_page');
          }
          );

          Post as a guest















          Required, but never shown





















































          Required, but never shown














          Required, but never shown












          Required, but never shown







          Required, but never shown

































          Required, but never shown














          Required, but never shown












          Required, but never shown







          Required, but never shown







          Popular posts from this blog

          GameSpot

          connect to host localhost port 22: Connection refused

          Getting a Wifi WPA2 wifi connection