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There is a lot of rhetoric surrounding how politicians in the US obtain money for their campaigns. I am wondering why it is necessary for politicians to have any money for their campaigns, small money, big money, their own money, etc etc. It seems that a possible solution is to host a few debates, and to allot each candidate e.g. a webpage on a government site on which they can expound their views on X,Y and Z.



Why can't we simply disallow campaigning altogether? What would be the challenges in implementing such a solution?










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    How would they travel to the debates? How would they have staff to help them prepare for those debates? How would they get the website designed?

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  • "How would they get the website designed" It's a government website. Many companies have a "meet the team" type page. Why would this not work for politicians? They can write their own blurb.

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    The "meet the team" pages are all designed - even the bad ones. Source: I'm a web applications programmer. It sounds like you're mostly just saying you want public financing, which already exists.

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    @DavidRice, firstly, I'm not saying that I want anything. Secondly, "meet the team" pages are almost never designed separately by the individual members of the team pictured on the page. The site is designed once, by a designer(s) (you), and then the individual members simply fill out the content, which they can trivially perform by themselves. (Source: Incidentally, I am also a programmer, have worked at web-centric companies, and have also filled out "meet the team" blurbs on pages which I did not design)

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There is a lot of rhetoric surrounding how politicians in the US obtain money for their campaigns. I am wondering why it is necessary for politicians to have any money for their campaigns, small money, big money, their own money, etc etc. It seems that a possible solution is to host a few debates, and to allot each candidate e.g. a webpage on a government site on which they can expound their views on X,Y and Z.



Why can't we simply disallow campaigning altogether? What would be the challenges in implementing such a solution?










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    How would they travel to the debates? How would they have staff to help them prepare for those debates? How would they get the website designed?

    – David Rice
    14 hours ago











  • "How would they get the website designed" It's a government website. Many companies have a "meet the team" type page. Why would this not work for politicians? They can write their own blurb.

    – Scott
    13 hours ago






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    The "meet the team" pages are all designed - even the bad ones. Source: I'm a web applications programmer. It sounds like you're mostly just saying you want public financing, which already exists.

    – David Rice
    13 hours ago






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    @DavidRice, firstly, I'm not saying that I want anything. Secondly, "meet the team" pages are almost never designed separately by the individual members of the team pictured on the page. The site is designed once, by a designer(s) (you), and then the individual members simply fill out the content, which they can trivially perform by themselves. (Source: Incidentally, I am also a programmer, have worked at web-centric companies, and have also filled out "meet the team" blurbs on pages which I did not design)

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There is a lot of rhetoric surrounding how politicians in the US obtain money for their campaigns. I am wondering why it is necessary for politicians to have any money for their campaigns, small money, big money, their own money, etc etc. It seems that a possible solution is to host a few debates, and to allot each candidate e.g. a webpage on a government site on which they can expound their views on X,Y and Z.



Why can't we simply disallow campaigning altogether? What would be the challenges in implementing such a solution?










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There is a lot of rhetoric surrounding how politicians in the US obtain money for their campaigns. I am wondering why it is necessary for politicians to have any money for their campaigns, small money, big money, their own money, etc etc. It seems that a possible solution is to host a few debates, and to allot each candidate e.g. a webpage on a government site on which they can expound their views on X,Y and Z.



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    How would they travel to the debates? How would they have staff to help them prepare for those debates? How would they get the website designed?

    – David Rice
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  • "How would they get the website designed" It's a government website. Many companies have a "meet the team" type page. Why would this not work for politicians? They can write their own blurb.

    – Scott
    13 hours ago






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    The "meet the team" pages are all designed - even the bad ones. Source: I'm a web applications programmer. It sounds like you're mostly just saying you want public financing, which already exists.

    – David Rice
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    @DavidRice, firstly, I'm not saying that I want anything. Secondly, "meet the team" pages are almost never designed separately by the individual members of the team pictured on the page. The site is designed once, by a designer(s) (you), and then the individual members simply fill out the content, which they can trivially perform by themselves. (Source: Incidentally, I am also a programmer, have worked at web-centric companies, and have also filled out "meet the team" blurbs on pages which I did not design)

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    If people voted based on information, your ideas would be more understandable.

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    How would they travel to the debates? How would they have staff to help them prepare for those debates? How would they get the website designed?

    – David Rice
    14 hours ago











  • "How would they get the website designed" It's a government website. Many companies have a "meet the team" type page. Why would this not work for politicians? They can write their own blurb.

    – Scott
    13 hours ago






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    The "meet the team" pages are all designed - even the bad ones. Source: I'm a web applications programmer. It sounds like you're mostly just saying you want public financing, which already exists.

    – David Rice
    13 hours ago






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    @DavidRice, firstly, I'm not saying that I want anything. Secondly, "meet the team" pages are almost never designed separately by the individual members of the team pictured on the page. The site is designed once, by a designer(s) (you), and then the individual members simply fill out the content, which they can trivially perform by themselves. (Source: Incidentally, I am also a programmer, have worked at web-centric companies, and have also filled out "meet the team" blurbs on pages which I did not design)

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    If people voted based on information, your ideas would be more understandable.

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How would they travel to the debates? How would they have staff to help them prepare for those debates? How would they get the website designed?

– David Rice
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How would they travel to the debates? How would they have staff to help them prepare for those debates? How would they get the website designed?

– David Rice
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"How would they get the website designed" It's a government website. Many companies have a "meet the team" type page. Why would this not work for politicians? They can write their own blurb.

– Scott
13 hours ago





"How would they get the website designed" It's a government website. Many companies have a "meet the team" type page. Why would this not work for politicians? They can write their own blurb.

– Scott
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The "meet the team" pages are all designed - even the bad ones. Source: I'm a web applications programmer. It sounds like you're mostly just saying you want public financing, which already exists.

– David Rice
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The "meet the team" pages are all designed - even the bad ones. Source: I'm a web applications programmer. It sounds like you're mostly just saying you want public financing, which already exists.

– David Rice
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@DavidRice, firstly, I'm not saying that I want anything. Secondly, "meet the team" pages are almost never designed separately by the individual members of the team pictured on the page. The site is designed once, by a designer(s) (you), and then the individual members simply fill out the content, which they can trivially perform by themselves. (Source: Incidentally, I am also a programmer, have worked at web-centric companies, and have also filled out "meet the team" blurbs on pages which I did not design)

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@DavidRice, firstly, I'm not saying that I want anything. Secondly, "meet the team" pages are almost never designed separately by the individual members of the team pictured on the page. The site is designed once, by a designer(s) (you), and then the individual members simply fill out the content, which they can trivially perform by themselves. (Source: Incidentally, I am also a programmer, have worked at web-centric companies, and have also filled out "meet the team" blurbs on pages which I did not design)

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While one can imagine an ideal world in which the political landscape is dominated by a "pull" paradigm (voters actively go out to find the information on the candidates), in the real world it's dominated by the "push" paradigm (voters passively receive information given to them). If you're asking why we can't have the first instead of the second, well, that's not what's happened. The fact that we don't already have that shows that it's just against human nature. One can call it laziness, or rational ignorance, but whatever you call it, that's just not how humans naturally behave. A government website where candidates can put up their platform simply can't compete with daily bombardment of messages regarding current events. Even if some voters visit the site (and most won't), they're not going to come back to it day after to day to see commentary on the campaign as it unfolds. It's the same reason why companies run ads, rather than just putting up a website telling people how great their product is, and then sitting back and waiting for people to visit.



If you're suggesting that we force campaigns to be run that way, consider: What is campaigning? It's going around telling people why they should vote for you. In other words, it's speech. Which is protected by the constitution. There are some that argue that it's money, not speech, that is being regulated, but when you prohibit people from spending money on speech, you're regulating speech. Campaigning can be categorized into four main types:




  1. Self-financing: A candidate uses their own money to fund their campaign.


  2. Independent expenditures: Non-candidates use money to fund a campaign that is separate from the candidate. The candidate does not have any access or influence over the funds.


  3. Media Coverage: Candidates can get exposure by getting the media (and this includes not only "establishment" outlets such as TV news and newspapers, but also social media) to give them attention.


  4. Contributions to candidates: People give money to a candidate, and the candidate decides how to spend it.



The Supreme Court has found that the first three types are constitutionally protected. The restrictions on the fourth are allowed, but eliminating contributions to candidates would just leave self-financing, independent expenditures, and the media as the only allowable campaigning methods. The first obviously favors wealthy candidates, the second means that campaigns are not accountable to the candidates (they are legally required to not be accountable), and the third allows large media corporations to dominate elections, as well as rewarding divisive behavior (the best way to get air time is to say something controversial). Banning contributions to candidates doesn't take money out of politics, it just gives more of an advantage to those who can pay for their own campaigns, have proxies act on their behalf, and/or manipulate the media.






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    By strict interpretations of this rule, you end up as an effective one-party state very quickly.



    What counts as "campaigning" is the big question. Firstly, a lot of places have ballot signature requirements - you have to get N people to sign a piece of paper in order to be a candidate. Does that count as "campaigning"? If so, then suddenly you can't have any candidates!



    Are people allowed to mention that they're running as a candidate? Are they allowed to wear party colours or other identification? Are they allowed to give interviews to the press?



    Are third parties who somehow find out about the election allowed to campaign on behalf of candidates? Or have you just banned people talking about it at the office watercooler?



    Are political parties allowed at all in your scenario? What about their internal democratic processes of choosing a leader or candidates?



    Are turnout-improving processes (canvassing and "knocking up") allowed?



    What about pre-existing celebrities?



    Without all this lot, you end up with a strange world where the news reports that you're having an election, but you can't see or name any of the candidates, and this is the first anyone's heard of them, other than the incumbent. Perhaps someone presses an illegal flyer into your hand and runs away quickly.



    (There are plenty of discussions to be had about campaigning and finance, but this is not something to ban altogether!)






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    • Mostly, my question was about the money spent on campaigning, and not the speech itself. @Accumulation makes a solid point that the two are inseparable.

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    • @Scott any time spent on any campaign activities is money spent, as you could have spent that time doing something else that generates an income. If I as a volunteer print flyers and hand them out on a day I took off from work for the purpose, that's money I spent on both the flyers and the time (I could have spent the day doing something else, either generating income for myself or others, after all).

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      Making it illegal, is illegal, +1. Not that's ever stopped anyone from doing anything anyway.

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    Considerations around freedom of speech would be the biggest obstacle. Obviously, the main consideration here is the Citizens United vs. FEC Supreme Court decision. Since this decision states that corporations, unions, and non-profit organizations may spend as much as they want on political advertisements, any attempt to restrict campaigning by a non-profit group would fall afoul of this immediately.



    However, older and broader precedents also come into play. Restricting campaigning would require preventing the candidate from attending gatherings of their supporters, such as rallies, likely violating the free assembly provision of the First Amendment of the US Constitution. It would also prevent them from spending their own money on advertising, which was allowed before Citizens United, e.g. under Buckley. Hypothetically, such a prohibition could even prohibit a politician stating their political views on their own personal blog.



    There are also some pragmatic issues with the particular implementation you're proposing that would make it difficult. The government would also need to provide money for travel and lodging at the debates, to replace the lost funding from campaigns.






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      How would you enforce it, and where would you draw the line?



      Quite apart from the freedom of expression issue, which makes it illegal to restrict people from expressing their support for one political party or another, there's the very definition of the matter.



      If I donate time to a campaign rather than money, effectively I am indeed funding that campaign.



      Ditto if say a bus company donates vehicles, or even rents them out at a discount from normal market prices.



      The politician himself who goes around holding rallies and press events is donating his time, therefore financing the campaign.



      If those rallies require payment to get in, that's payment to the campaign as well.



      Etc. etc. etc.



      If you ban all contributions to political campaigns you end up without the possibility for people to run for office at all, meaning no more politicians.



      Oh wait, that'd not be such a bad thing ;)



      But seriously: you'd end up with a system where nobody except those already in power and with the means to control the media directly can determine who gets into power as nobody else will be able to get his opinions heard, let alone let it be known they're interested in holding political office.






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        While one can imagine an ideal world in which the political landscape is dominated by a "pull" paradigm (voters actively go out to find the information on the candidates), in the real world it's dominated by the "push" paradigm (voters passively receive information given to them). If you're asking why we can't have the first instead of the second, well, that's not what's happened. The fact that we don't already have that shows that it's just against human nature. One can call it laziness, or rational ignorance, but whatever you call it, that's just not how humans naturally behave. A government website where candidates can put up their platform simply can't compete with daily bombardment of messages regarding current events. Even if some voters visit the site (and most won't), they're not going to come back to it day after to day to see commentary on the campaign as it unfolds. It's the same reason why companies run ads, rather than just putting up a website telling people how great their product is, and then sitting back and waiting for people to visit.



        If you're suggesting that we force campaigns to be run that way, consider: What is campaigning? It's going around telling people why they should vote for you. In other words, it's speech. Which is protected by the constitution. There are some that argue that it's money, not speech, that is being regulated, but when you prohibit people from spending money on speech, you're regulating speech. Campaigning can be categorized into four main types:




        1. Self-financing: A candidate uses their own money to fund their campaign.


        2. Independent expenditures: Non-candidates use money to fund a campaign that is separate from the candidate. The candidate does not have any access or influence over the funds.


        3. Media Coverage: Candidates can get exposure by getting the media (and this includes not only "establishment" outlets such as TV news and newspapers, but also social media) to give them attention.


        4. Contributions to candidates: People give money to a candidate, and the candidate decides how to spend it.



        The Supreme Court has found that the first three types are constitutionally protected. The restrictions on the fourth are allowed, but eliminating contributions to candidates would just leave self-financing, independent expenditures, and the media as the only allowable campaigning methods. The first obviously favors wealthy candidates, the second means that campaigns are not accountable to the candidates (they are legally required to not be accountable), and the third allows large media corporations to dominate elections, as well as rewarding divisive behavior (the best way to get air time is to say something controversial). Banning contributions to candidates doesn't take money out of politics, it just gives more of an advantage to those who can pay for their own campaigns, have proxies act on their behalf, and/or manipulate the media.






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          While one can imagine an ideal world in which the political landscape is dominated by a "pull" paradigm (voters actively go out to find the information on the candidates), in the real world it's dominated by the "push" paradigm (voters passively receive information given to them). If you're asking why we can't have the first instead of the second, well, that's not what's happened. The fact that we don't already have that shows that it's just against human nature. One can call it laziness, or rational ignorance, but whatever you call it, that's just not how humans naturally behave. A government website where candidates can put up their platform simply can't compete with daily bombardment of messages regarding current events. Even if some voters visit the site (and most won't), they're not going to come back to it day after to day to see commentary on the campaign as it unfolds. It's the same reason why companies run ads, rather than just putting up a website telling people how great their product is, and then sitting back and waiting for people to visit.



          If you're suggesting that we force campaigns to be run that way, consider: What is campaigning? It's going around telling people why they should vote for you. In other words, it's speech. Which is protected by the constitution. There are some that argue that it's money, not speech, that is being regulated, but when you prohibit people from spending money on speech, you're regulating speech. Campaigning can be categorized into four main types:




          1. Self-financing: A candidate uses their own money to fund their campaign.


          2. Independent expenditures: Non-candidates use money to fund a campaign that is separate from the candidate. The candidate does not have any access or influence over the funds.


          3. Media Coverage: Candidates can get exposure by getting the media (and this includes not only "establishment" outlets such as TV news and newspapers, but also social media) to give them attention.


          4. Contributions to candidates: People give money to a candidate, and the candidate decides how to spend it.



          The Supreme Court has found that the first three types are constitutionally protected. The restrictions on the fourth are allowed, but eliminating contributions to candidates would just leave self-financing, independent expenditures, and the media as the only allowable campaigning methods. The first obviously favors wealthy candidates, the second means that campaigns are not accountable to the candidates (they are legally required to not be accountable), and the third allows large media corporations to dominate elections, as well as rewarding divisive behavior (the best way to get air time is to say something controversial). Banning contributions to candidates doesn't take money out of politics, it just gives more of an advantage to those who can pay for their own campaigns, have proxies act on their behalf, and/or manipulate the media.






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            While one can imagine an ideal world in which the political landscape is dominated by a "pull" paradigm (voters actively go out to find the information on the candidates), in the real world it's dominated by the "push" paradigm (voters passively receive information given to them). If you're asking why we can't have the first instead of the second, well, that's not what's happened. The fact that we don't already have that shows that it's just against human nature. One can call it laziness, or rational ignorance, but whatever you call it, that's just not how humans naturally behave. A government website where candidates can put up their platform simply can't compete with daily bombardment of messages regarding current events. Even if some voters visit the site (and most won't), they're not going to come back to it day after to day to see commentary on the campaign as it unfolds. It's the same reason why companies run ads, rather than just putting up a website telling people how great their product is, and then sitting back and waiting for people to visit.



            If you're suggesting that we force campaigns to be run that way, consider: What is campaigning? It's going around telling people why they should vote for you. In other words, it's speech. Which is protected by the constitution. There are some that argue that it's money, not speech, that is being regulated, but when you prohibit people from spending money on speech, you're regulating speech. Campaigning can be categorized into four main types:




            1. Self-financing: A candidate uses their own money to fund their campaign.


            2. Independent expenditures: Non-candidates use money to fund a campaign that is separate from the candidate. The candidate does not have any access or influence over the funds.


            3. Media Coverage: Candidates can get exposure by getting the media (and this includes not only "establishment" outlets such as TV news and newspapers, but also social media) to give them attention.


            4. Contributions to candidates: People give money to a candidate, and the candidate decides how to spend it.



            The Supreme Court has found that the first three types are constitutionally protected. The restrictions on the fourth are allowed, but eliminating contributions to candidates would just leave self-financing, independent expenditures, and the media as the only allowable campaigning methods. The first obviously favors wealthy candidates, the second means that campaigns are not accountable to the candidates (they are legally required to not be accountable), and the third allows large media corporations to dominate elections, as well as rewarding divisive behavior (the best way to get air time is to say something controversial). Banning contributions to candidates doesn't take money out of politics, it just gives more of an advantage to those who can pay for their own campaigns, have proxies act on their behalf, and/or manipulate the media.






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            While one can imagine an ideal world in which the political landscape is dominated by a "pull" paradigm (voters actively go out to find the information on the candidates), in the real world it's dominated by the "push" paradigm (voters passively receive information given to them). If you're asking why we can't have the first instead of the second, well, that's not what's happened. The fact that we don't already have that shows that it's just against human nature. One can call it laziness, or rational ignorance, but whatever you call it, that's just not how humans naturally behave. A government website where candidates can put up their platform simply can't compete with daily bombardment of messages regarding current events. Even if some voters visit the site (and most won't), they're not going to come back to it day after to day to see commentary on the campaign as it unfolds. It's the same reason why companies run ads, rather than just putting up a website telling people how great their product is, and then sitting back and waiting for people to visit.



            If you're suggesting that we force campaigns to be run that way, consider: What is campaigning? It's going around telling people why they should vote for you. In other words, it's speech. Which is protected by the constitution. There are some that argue that it's money, not speech, that is being regulated, but when you prohibit people from spending money on speech, you're regulating speech. Campaigning can be categorized into four main types:




            1. Self-financing: A candidate uses their own money to fund their campaign.


            2. Independent expenditures: Non-candidates use money to fund a campaign that is separate from the candidate. The candidate does not have any access or influence over the funds.


            3. Media Coverage: Candidates can get exposure by getting the media (and this includes not only "establishment" outlets such as TV news and newspapers, but also social media) to give them attention.


            4. Contributions to candidates: People give money to a candidate, and the candidate decides how to spend it.



            The Supreme Court has found that the first three types are constitutionally protected. The restrictions on the fourth are allowed, but eliminating contributions to candidates would just leave self-financing, independent expenditures, and the media as the only allowable campaigning methods. The first obviously favors wealthy candidates, the second means that campaigns are not accountable to the candidates (they are legally required to not be accountable), and the third allows large media corporations to dominate elections, as well as rewarding divisive behavior (the best way to get air time is to say something controversial). Banning contributions to candidates doesn't take money out of politics, it just gives more of an advantage to those who can pay for their own campaigns, have proxies act on their behalf, and/or manipulate the media.







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                By strict interpretations of this rule, you end up as an effective one-party state very quickly.



                What counts as "campaigning" is the big question. Firstly, a lot of places have ballot signature requirements - you have to get N people to sign a piece of paper in order to be a candidate. Does that count as "campaigning"? If so, then suddenly you can't have any candidates!



                Are people allowed to mention that they're running as a candidate? Are they allowed to wear party colours or other identification? Are they allowed to give interviews to the press?



                Are third parties who somehow find out about the election allowed to campaign on behalf of candidates? Or have you just banned people talking about it at the office watercooler?



                Are political parties allowed at all in your scenario? What about their internal democratic processes of choosing a leader or candidates?



                Are turnout-improving processes (canvassing and "knocking up") allowed?



                What about pre-existing celebrities?



                Without all this lot, you end up with a strange world where the news reports that you're having an election, but you can't see or name any of the candidates, and this is the first anyone's heard of them, other than the incumbent. Perhaps someone presses an illegal flyer into your hand and runs away quickly.



                (There are plenty of discussions to be had about campaigning and finance, but this is not something to ban altogether!)






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                • Mostly, my question was about the money spent on campaigning, and not the speech itself. @Accumulation makes a solid point that the two are inseparable.

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                • @Scott any time spent on any campaign activities is money spent, as you could have spent that time doing something else that generates an income. If I as a volunteer print flyers and hand them out on a day I took off from work for the purpose, that's money I spent on both the flyers and the time (I could have spent the day doing something else, either generating income for myself or others, after all).

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                By strict interpretations of this rule, you end up as an effective one-party state very quickly.



                What counts as "campaigning" is the big question. Firstly, a lot of places have ballot signature requirements - you have to get N people to sign a piece of paper in order to be a candidate. Does that count as "campaigning"? If so, then suddenly you can't have any candidates!



                Are people allowed to mention that they're running as a candidate? Are they allowed to wear party colours or other identification? Are they allowed to give interviews to the press?



                Are third parties who somehow find out about the election allowed to campaign on behalf of candidates? Or have you just banned people talking about it at the office watercooler?



                Are political parties allowed at all in your scenario? What about their internal democratic processes of choosing a leader or candidates?



                Are turnout-improving processes (canvassing and "knocking up") allowed?



                What about pre-existing celebrities?



                Without all this lot, you end up with a strange world where the news reports that you're having an election, but you can't see or name any of the candidates, and this is the first anyone's heard of them, other than the incumbent. Perhaps someone presses an illegal flyer into your hand and runs away quickly.



                (There are plenty of discussions to be had about campaigning and finance, but this is not something to ban altogether!)






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                • Mostly, my question was about the money spent on campaigning, and not the speech itself. @Accumulation makes a solid point that the two are inseparable.

                  – Scott
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                • @Scott any time spent on any campaign activities is money spent, as you could have spent that time doing something else that generates an income. If I as a volunteer print flyers and hand them out on a day I took off from work for the purpose, that's money I spent on both the flyers and the time (I could have spent the day doing something else, either generating income for myself or others, after all).

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                By strict interpretations of this rule, you end up as an effective one-party state very quickly.



                What counts as "campaigning" is the big question. Firstly, a lot of places have ballot signature requirements - you have to get N people to sign a piece of paper in order to be a candidate. Does that count as "campaigning"? If so, then suddenly you can't have any candidates!



                Are people allowed to mention that they're running as a candidate? Are they allowed to wear party colours or other identification? Are they allowed to give interviews to the press?



                Are third parties who somehow find out about the election allowed to campaign on behalf of candidates? Or have you just banned people talking about it at the office watercooler?



                Are political parties allowed at all in your scenario? What about their internal democratic processes of choosing a leader or candidates?



                Are turnout-improving processes (canvassing and "knocking up") allowed?



                What about pre-existing celebrities?



                Without all this lot, you end up with a strange world where the news reports that you're having an election, but you can't see or name any of the candidates, and this is the first anyone's heard of them, other than the incumbent. Perhaps someone presses an illegal flyer into your hand and runs away quickly.



                (There are plenty of discussions to be had about campaigning and finance, but this is not something to ban altogether!)






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                By strict interpretations of this rule, you end up as an effective one-party state very quickly.



                What counts as "campaigning" is the big question. Firstly, a lot of places have ballot signature requirements - you have to get N people to sign a piece of paper in order to be a candidate. Does that count as "campaigning"? If so, then suddenly you can't have any candidates!



                Are people allowed to mention that they're running as a candidate? Are they allowed to wear party colours or other identification? Are they allowed to give interviews to the press?



                Are third parties who somehow find out about the election allowed to campaign on behalf of candidates? Or have you just banned people talking about it at the office watercooler?



                Are political parties allowed at all in your scenario? What about their internal democratic processes of choosing a leader or candidates?



                Are turnout-improving processes (canvassing and "knocking up") allowed?



                What about pre-existing celebrities?



                Without all this lot, you end up with a strange world where the news reports that you're having an election, but you can't see or name any of the candidates, and this is the first anyone's heard of them, other than the incumbent. Perhaps someone presses an illegal flyer into your hand and runs away quickly.



                (There are plenty of discussions to be had about campaigning and finance, but this is not something to ban altogether!)







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                • Mostly, my question was about the money spent on campaigning, and not the speech itself. @Accumulation makes a solid point that the two are inseparable.

                  – Scott
                  13 hours ago











                • @Scott any time spent on any campaign activities is money spent, as you could have spent that time doing something else that generates an income. If I as a volunteer print flyers and hand them out on a day I took off from work for the purpose, that's money I spent on both the flyers and the time (I could have spent the day doing something else, either generating income for myself or others, after all).

                  – jwenting
                  1 hour ago



















                • Mostly, my question was about the money spent on campaigning, and not the speech itself. @Accumulation makes a solid point that the two are inseparable.

                  – Scott
                  13 hours ago











                • @Scott any time spent on any campaign activities is money spent, as you could have spent that time doing something else that generates an income. If I as a volunteer print flyers and hand them out on a day I took off from work for the purpose, that's money I spent on both the flyers and the time (I could have spent the day doing something else, either generating income for myself or others, after all).

                  – jwenting
                  1 hour ago

















                Mostly, my question was about the money spent on campaigning, and not the speech itself. @Accumulation makes a solid point that the two are inseparable.

                – Scott
                13 hours ago





                Mostly, my question was about the money spent on campaigning, and not the speech itself. @Accumulation makes a solid point that the two are inseparable.

                – Scott
                13 hours ago













                @Scott any time spent on any campaign activities is money spent, as you could have spent that time doing something else that generates an income. If I as a volunteer print flyers and hand them out on a day I took off from work for the purpose, that's money I spent on both the flyers and the time (I could have spent the day doing something else, either generating income for myself or others, after all).

                – jwenting
                1 hour ago





                @Scott any time spent on any campaign activities is money spent, as you could have spent that time doing something else that generates an income. If I as a volunteer print flyers and hand them out on a day I took off from work for the purpose, that's money I spent on both the flyers and the time (I could have spent the day doing something else, either generating income for myself or others, after all).

                – jwenting
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                Why can't we simply disallow campaigning altogether?




                From the First Amendment of the US Constitution:




                Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech...







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                  Making it illegal, is illegal, +1. Not that's ever stopped anyone from doing anything anyway.

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                From the First Amendment of the US Constitution:




                Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech...







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                  Making it illegal, is illegal, +1. Not that's ever stopped anyone from doing anything anyway.

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                Why can't we simply disallow campaigning altogether?




                From the First Amendment of the US Constitution:




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                  Making it illegal, is illegal, +1. Not that's ever stopped anyone from doing anything anyway.

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                  Making it illegal, is illegal, +1. Not that's ever stopped anyone from doing anything anyway.

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                Making it illegal, is illegal, +1. Not that's ever stopped anyone from doing anything anyway.

                – Mazura
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                Making it illegal, is illegal, +1. Not that's ever stopped anyone from doing anything anyway.

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                Considerations around freedom of speech would be the biggest obstacle. Obviously, the main consideration here is the Citizens United vs. FEC Supreme Court decision. Since this decision states that corporations, unions, and non-profit organizations may spend as much as they want on political advertisements, any attempt to restrict campaigning by a non-profit group would fall afoul of this immediately.



                However, older and broader precedents also come into play. Restricting campaigning would require preventing the candidate from attending gatherings of their supporters, such as rallies, likely violating the free assembly provision of the First Amendment of the US Constitution. It would also prevent them from spending their own money on advertising, which was allowed before Citizens United, e.g. under Buckley. Hypothetically, such a prohibition could even prohibit a politician stating their political views on their own personal blog.



                There are also some pragmatic issues with the particular implementation you're proposing that would make it difficult. The government would also need to provide money for travel and lodging at the debates, to replace the lost funding from campaigns.






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                  Considerations around freedom of speech would be the biggest obstacle. Obviously, the main consideration here is the Citizens United vs. FEC Supreme Court decision. Since this decision states that corporations, unions, and non-profit organizations may spend as much as they want on political advertisements, any attempt to restrict campaigning by a non-profit group would fall afoul of this immediately.



                  However, older and broader precedents also come into play. Restricting campaigning would require preventing the candidate from attending gatherings of their supporters, such as rallies, likely violating the free assembly provision of the First Amendment of the US Constitution. It would also prevent them from spending their own money on advertising, which was allowed before Citizens United, e.g. under Buckley. Hypothetically, such a prohibition could even prohibit a politician stating their political views on their own personal blog.



                  There are also some pragmatic issues with the particular implementation you're proposing that would make it difficult. The government would also need to provide money for travel and lodging at the debates, to replace the lost funding from campaigns.






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                    Considerations around freedom of speech would be the biggest obstacle. Obviously, the main consideration here is the Citizens United vs. FEC Supreme Court decision. Since this decision states that corporations, unions, and non-profit organizations may spend as much as they want on political advertisements, any attempt to restrict campaigning by a non-profit group would fall afoul of this immediately.



                    However, older and broader precedents also come into play. Restricting campaigning would require preventing the candidate from attending gatherings of their supporters, such as rallies, likely violating the free assembly provision of the First Amendment of the US Constitution. It would also prevent them from spending their own money on advertising, which was allowed before Citizens United, e.g. under Buckley. Hypothetically, such a prohibition could even prohibit a politician stating their political views on their own personal blog.



                    There are also some pragmatic issues with the particular implementation you're proposing that would make it difficult. The government would also need to provide money for travel and lodging at the debates, to replace the lost funding from campaigns.






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                    Considerations around freedom of speech would be the biggest obstacle. Obviously, the main consideration here is the Citizens United vs. FEC Supreme Court decision. Since this decision states that corporations, unions, and non-profit organizations may spend as much as they want on political advertisements, any attempt to restrict campaigning by a non-profit group would fall afoul of this immediately.



                    However, older and broader precedents also come into play. Restricting campaigning would require preventing the candidate from attending gatherings of their supporters, such as rallies, likely violating the free assembly provision of the First Amendment of the US Constitution. It would also prevent them from spending their own money on advertising, which was allowed before Citizens United, e.g. under Buckley. Hypothetically, such a prohibition could even prohibit a politician stating their political views on their own personal blog.



                    There are also some pragmatic issues with the particular implementation you're proposing that would make it difficult. The government would also need to provide money for travel and lodging at the debates, to replace the lost funding from campaigns.







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                        How would you enforce it, and where would you draw the line?



                        Quite apart from the freedom of expression issue, which makes it illegal to restrict people from expressing their support for one political party or another, there's the very definition of the matter.



                        If I donate time to a campaign rather than money, effectively I am indeed funding that campaign.



                        Ditto if say a bus company donates vehicles, or even rents them out at a discount from normal market prices.



                        The politician himself who goes around holding rallies and press events is donating his time, therefore financing the campaign.



                        If those rallies require payment to get in, that's payment to the campaign as well.



                        Etc. etc. etc.



                        If you ban all contributions to political campaigns you end up without the possibility for people to run for office at all, meaning no more politicians.



                        Oh wait, that'd not be such a bad thing ;)



                        But seriously: you'd end up with a system where nobody except those already in power and with the means to control the media directly can determine who gets into power as nobody else will be able to get his opinions heard, let alone let it be known they're interested in holding political office.






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                          How would you enforce it, and where would you draw the line?



                          Quite apart from the freedom of expression issue, which makes it illegal to restrict people from expressing their support for one political party or another, there's the very definition of the matter.



                          If I donate time to a campaign rather than money, effectively I am indeed funding that campaign.



                          Ditto if say a bus company donates vehicles, or even rents them out at a discount from normal market prices.



                          The politician himself who goes around holding rallies and press events is donating his time, therefore financing the campaign.



                          If those rallies require payment to get in, that's payment to the campaign as well.



                          Etc. etc. etc.



                          If you ban all contributions to political campaigns you end up without the possibility for people to run for office at all, meaning no more politicians.



                          Oh wait, that'd not be such a bad thing ;)



                          But seriously: you'd end up with a system where nobody except those already in power and with the means to control the media directly can determine who gets into power as nobody else will be able to get his opinions heard, let alone let it be known they're interested in holding political office.






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                            How would you enforce it, and where would you draw the line?



                            Quite apart from the freedom of expression issue, which makes it illegal to restrict people from expressing their support for one political party or another, there's the very definition of the matter.



                            If I donate time to a campaign rather than money, effectively I am indeed funding that campaign.



                            Ditto if say a bus company donates vehicles, or even rents them out at a discount from normal market prices.



                            The politician himself who goes around holding rallies and press events is donating his time, therefore financing the campaign.



                            If those rallies require payment to get in, that's payment to the campaign as well.



                            Etc. etc. etc.



                            If you ban all contributions to political campaigns you end up without the possibility for people to run for office at all, meaning no more politicians.



                            Oh wait, that'd not be such a bad thing ;)



                            But seriously: you'd end up with a system where nobody except those already in power and with the means to control the media directly can determine who gets into power as nobody else will be able to get his opinions heard, let alone let it be known they're interested in holding political office.






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                            How would you enforce it, and where would you draw the line?



                            Quite apart from the freedom of expression issue, which makes it illegal to restrict people from expressing their support for one political party or another, there's the very definition of the matter.



                            If I donate time to a campaign rather than money, effectively I am indeed funding that campaign.



                            Ditto if say a bus company donates vehicles, or even rents them out at a discount from normal market prices.



                            The politician himself who goes around holding rallies and press events is donating his time, therefore financing the campaign.



                            If those rallies require payment to get in, that's payment to the campaign as well.



                            Etc. etc. etc.



                            If you ban all contributions to political campaigns you end up without the possibility for people to run for office at all, meaning no more politicians.



                            Oh wait, that'd not be such a bad thing ;)



                            But seriously: you'd end up with a system where nobody except those already in power and with the means to control the media directly can determine who gets into power as nobody else will be able to get his opinions heard, let alone let it be known they're interested in holding political office.







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