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I have been practicing my observance with a super-friendly Chabad congregation but my area, predominantly secular and Modern Orthodox, has a bunch of MO congregations that I'm very curious to visit, perhaps to taste the difference. As someone with a Chabad background, albeit a beginner, what are some things I should expect to be different?



(Also, I am going to bring a Koren Sacks siddur there instead of the Tehillat Hashem one, good idea?)



Edit: I'm curious about all aspects of difference, not just the nusach.










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  • "Brich Hu" instead of "Amen" during Kaddish.

    – Shalom
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  • Judging only by the tags to the q I’d guess you’re asking specifically about differences in terms of the davening itself as opposed to the entire “shul experience”; perhaps you should note that in your q (if the guess is correct).

    – Oliver
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  • Thanks @Oliver, I clarified my question in that sense.

    – Yosef M
    2 hours ago











  • Chabad siddur is very good. Are you really forced to switch?

    – kouty
    2 hours ago











  • Not really @kouty . I own both and I am indeed more used to Tehillat Hashem, but I don't expect an MO congregation to use it. I agree with with DanF's answer below, I will likely be able to pick up the right one at the shul anyway, except if they don't happen to have enough.

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I have been practicing my observance with a super-friendly Chabad congregation but my area, predominantly secular and Modern Orthodox, has a bunch of MO congregations that I'm very curious to visit, perhaps to taste the difference. As someone with a Chabad background, albeit a beginner, what are some things I should expect to be different?



(Also, I am going to bring a Koren Sacks siddur there instead of the Tehillat Hashem one, good idea?)



Edit: I'm curious about all aspects of difference, not just the nusach.










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  • "Brich Hu" instead of "Amen" during Kaddish.

    – Shalom
    2 hours ago











  • Judging only by the tags to the q I’d guess you’re asking specifically about differences in terms of the davening itself as opposed to the entire “shul experience”; perhaps you should note that in your q (if the guess is correct).

    – Oliver
    2 hours ago











  • Thanks @Oliver, I clarified my question in that sense.

    – Yosef M
    2 hours ago











  • Chabad siddur is very good. Are you really forced to switch?

    – kouty
    2 hours ago











  • Not really @kouty . I own both and I am indeed more used to Tehillat Hashem, but I don't expect an MO congregation to use it. I agree with with DanF's answer below, I will likely be able to pick up the right one at the shul anyway, except if they don't happen to have enough.

    – Yosef M
    2 hours ago














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I have been practicing my observance with a super-friendly Chabad congregation but my area, predominantly secular and Modern Orthodox, has a bunch of MO congregations that I'm very curious to visit, perhaps to taste the difference. As someone with a Chabad background, albeit a beginner, what are some things I should expect to be different?



(Also, I am going to bring a Koren Sacks siddur there instead of the Tehillat Hashem one, good idea?)



Edit: I'm curious about all aspects of difference, not just the nusach.










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I have been practicing my observance with a super-friendly Chabad congregation but my area, predominantly secular and Modern Orthodox, has a bunch of MO congregations that I'm very curious to visit, perhaps to taste the difference. As someone with a Chabad background, albeit a beginner, what are some things I should expect to be different?



(Also, I am going to bring a Koren Sacks siddur there instead of the Tehillat Hashem one, good idea?)



Edit: I'm curious about all aspects of difference, not just the nusach.







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  • "Brich Hu" instead of "Amen" during Kaddish.

    – Shalom
    2 hours ago











  • Judging only by the tags to the q I’d guess you’re asking specifically about differences in terms of the davening itself as opposed to the entire “shul experience”; perhaps you should note that in your q (if the guess is correct).

    – Oliver
    2 hours ago











  • Thanks @Oliver, I clarified my question in that sense.

    – Yosef M
    2 hours ago











  • Chabad siddur is very good. Are you really forced to switch?

    – kouty
    2 hours ago











  • Not really @kouty . I own both and I am indeed more used to Tehillat Hashem, but I don't expect an MO congregation to use it. I agree with with DanF's answer below, I will likely be able to pick up the right one at the shul anyway, except if they don't happen to have enough.

    – Yosef M
    2 hours ago



















  • "Brich Hu" instead of "Amen" during Kaddish.

    – Shalom
    2 hours ago











  • Judging only by the tags to the q I’d guess you’re asking specifically about differences in terms of the davening itself as opposed to the entire “shul experience”; perhaps you should note that in your q (if the guess is correct).

    – Oliver
    2 hours ago











  • Thanks @Oliver, I clarified my question in that sense.

    – Yosef M
    2 hours ago











  • Chabad siddur is very good. Are you really forced to switch?

    – kouty
    2 hours ago











  • Not really @kouty . I own both and I am indeed more used to Tehillat Hashem, but I don't expect an MO congregation to use it. I agree with with DanF's answer below, I will likely be able to pick up the right one at the shul anyway, except if they don't happen to have enough.

    – Yosef M
    2 hours ago

















"Brich Hu" instead of "Amen" during Kaddish.

– Shalom
2 hours ago





"Brich Hu" instead of "Amen" during Kaddish.

– Shalom
2 hours ago













Judging only by the tags to the q I’d guess you’re asking specifically about differences in terms of the davening itself as opposed to the entire “shul experience”; perhaps you should note that in your q (if the guess is correct).

– Oliver
2 hours ago





Judging only by the tags to the q I’d guess you’re asking specifically about differences in terms of the davening itself as opposed to the entire “shul experience”; perhaps you should note that in your q (if the guess is correct).

– Oliver
2 hours ago













Thanks @Oliver, I clarified my question in that sense.

– Yosef M
2 hours ago





Thanks @Oliver, I clarified my question in that sense.

– Yosef M
2 hours ago













Chabad siddur is very good. Are you really forced to switch?

– kouty
2 hours ago





Chabad siddur is very good. Are you really forced to switch?

– kouty
2 hours ago













Not really @kouty . I own both and I am indeed more used to Tehillat Hashem, but I don't expect an MO congregation to use it. I agree with with DanF's answer below, I will likely be able to pick up the right one at the shul anyway, except if they don't happen to have enough.

– Yosef M
2 hours ago





Not really @kouty . I own both and I am indeed more used to Tehillat Hashem, but I don't expect an MO congregation to use it. I agree with with DanF's answer below, I will likely be able to pick up the right one at the shul anyway, except if they don't happen to have enough.

– Yosef M
2 hours ago










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You won't find too many differences other than some changes in the Nusach and the siddur.



Most MO shuls tend to be Nusach Ashkenaz from what I've seen, but you should inquire. That's not a given rule. I don't recommend bringing a siddur with you unless you are personally comfortable with the Koren siddur and can't readily transfer to another one. My reasoning:




  • The shul has its own siddurim usually in ample supply, so there's no need to bring your own

  • If the shul is not in an eruv on Shabbat, then you definitely should not bring your own siddur

  • You may get confused with finding the proper page that the cong. is on if you use a different siddur than the rest of them do


The tunes the cong. sing may or may not be familiar to what you’re used to. It depends where you go. Some do more congregational singing than others.



MO shuls tend to start much earlier than Chab"d shuls on Shabbat. In the U.S., that time can range from 8 - 9 AM in most places. But, it's most likely not starting at 10AM as many Chaba"d shuls do.



If you're a guest, you may or may not find the "open friendliness" that I've found Chaba"d tends to offer. Some MO shuls have people that will spot you as a guest immediately and you may get numerous lunch offers. Others, have no clue that you came in or cared either way. Pick a "small" place, if you can. It will be a less intimidating start.



In short, I recommend contacting the shul's rabbi and asking some basic questions and introducing yourself. It will provide you with answers and it helps if the rabbi, at least, knows that you will be a guest there. It also makes it easier for you vs. entering "blindly".






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    Things you’ll find in the shuls you would like to visit (unlike Chabad):




    • Congregants don’t wear a gartel (waistbands)

    • The pronounciation of cholam (Chabad substitutes it with a tzere)

    • Typically only say the prescribed Kaddeshim (Kaddish) in their respective siddur (Chabad customarily will add pieces of liturgy or other things to say additional Kaddish)

    • Even unmarried chazzan for Shacharit will don a tallit


    (Will try to update as more come to mind. Feel free to add any.)






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      You won't find too many differences other than some changes in the Nusach and the siddur.



      Most MO shuls tend to be Nusach Ashkenaz from what I've seen, but you should inquire. That's not a given rule. I don't recommend bringing a siddur with you unless you are personally comfortable with the Koren siddur and can't readily transfer to another one. My reasoning:




      • The shul has its own siddurim usually in ample supply, so there's no need to bring your own

      • If the shul is not in an eruv on Shabbat, then you definitely should not bring your own siddur

      • You may get confused with finding the proper page that the cong. is on if you use a different siddur than the rest of them do


      The tunes the cong. sing may or may not be familiar to what you’re used to. It depends where you go. Some do more congregational singing than others.



      MO shuls tend to start much earlier than Chab"d shuls on Shabbat. In the U.S., that time can range from 8 - 9 AM in most places. But, it's most likely not starting at 10AM as many Chaba"d shuls do.



      If you're a guest, you may or may not find the "open friendliness" that I've found Chaba"d tends to offer. Some MO shuls have people that will spot you as a guest immediately and you may get numerous lunch offers. Others, have no clue that you came in or cared either way. Pick a "small" place, if you can. It will be a less intimidating start.



      In short, I recommend contacting the shul's rabbi and asking some basic questions and introducing yourself. It will provide you with answers and it helps if the rabbi, at least, knows that you will be a guest there. It also makes it easier for you vs. entering "blindly".






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        You won't find too many differences other than some changes in the Nusach and the siddur.



        Most MO shuls tend to be Nusach Ashkenaz from what I've seen, but you should inquire. That's not a given rule. I don't recommend bringing a siddur with you unless you are personally comfortable with the Koren siddur and can't readily transfer to another one. My reasoning:




        • The shul has its own siddurim usually in ample supply, so there's no need to bring your own

        • If the shul is not in an eruv on Shabbat, then you definitely should not bring your own siddur

        • You may get confused with finding the proper page that the cong. is on if you use a different siddur than the rest of them do


        The tunes the cong. sing may or may not be familiar to what you’re used to. It depends where you go. Some do more congregational singing than others.



        MO shuls tend to start much earlier than Chab"d shuls on Shabbat. In the U.S., that time can range from 8 - 9 AM in most places. But, it's most likely not starting at 10AM as many Chaba"d shuls do.



        If you're a guest, you may or may not find the "open friendliness" that I've found Chaba"d tends to offer. Some MO shuls have people that will spot you as a guest immediately and you may get numerous lunch offers. Others, have no clue that you came in or cared either way. Pick a "small" place, if you can. It will be a less intimidating start.



        In short, I recommend contacting the shul's rabbi and asking some basic questions and introducing yourself. It will provide you with answers and it helps if the rabbi, at least, knows that you will be a guest there. It also makes it easier for you vs. entering "blindly".






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          You won't find too many differences other than some changes in the Nusach and the siddur.



          Most MO shuls tend to be Nusach Ashkenaz from what I've seen, but you should inquire. That's not a given rule. I don't recommend bringing a siddur with you unless you are personally comfortable with the Koren siddur and can't readily transfer to another one. My reasoning:




          • The shul has its own siddurim usually in ample supply, so there's no need to bring your own

          • If the shul is not in an eruv on Shabbat, then you definitely should not bring your own siddur

          • You may get confused with finding the proper page that the cong. is on if you use a different siddur than the rest of them do


          The tunes the cong. sing may or may not be familiar to what you’re used to. It depends where you go. Some do more congregational singing than others.



          MO shuls tend to start much earlier than Chab"d shuls on Shabbat. In the U.S., that time can range from 8 - 9 AM in most places. But, it's most likely not starting at 10AM as many Chaba"d shuls do.



          If you're a guest, you may or may not find the "open friendliness" that I've found Chaba"d tends to offer. Some MO shuls have people that will spot you as a guest immediately and you may get numerous lunch offers. Others, have no clue that you came in or cared either way. Pick a "small" place, if you can. It will be a less intimidating start.



          In short, I recommend contacting the shul's rabbi and asking some basic questions and introducing yourself. It will provide you with answers and it helps if the rabbi, at least, knows that you will be a guest there. It also makes it easier for you vs. entering "blindly".






          share|improve this answer















          You won't find too many differences other than some changes in the Nusach and the siddur.



          Most MO shuls tend to be Nusach Ashkenaz from what I've seen, but you should inquire. That's not a given rule. I don't recommend bringing a siddur with you unless you are personally comfortable with the Koren siddur and can't readily transfer to another one. My reasoning:




          • The shul has its own siddurim usually in ample supply, so there's no need to bring your own

          • If the shul is not in an eruv on Shabbat, then you definitely should not bring your own siddur

          • You may get confused with finding the proper page that the cong. is on if you use a different siddur than the rest of them do


          The tunes the cong. sing may or may not be familiar to what you’re used to. It depends where you go. Some do more congregational singing than others.



          MO shuls tend to start much earlier than Chab"d shuls on Shabbat. In the U.S., that time can range from 8 - 9 AM in most places. But, it's most likely not starting at 10AM as many Chaba"d shuls do.



          If you're a guest, you may or may not find the "open friendliness" that I've found Chaba"d tends to offer. Some MO shuls have people that will spot you as a guest immediately and you may get numerous lunch offers. Others, have no clue that you came in or cared either way. Pick a "small" place, if you can. It will be a less intimidating start.



          In short, I recommend contacting the shul's rabbi and asking some basic questions and introducing yourself. It will provide you with answers and it helps if the rabbi, at least, knows that you will be a guest there. It also makes it easier for you vs. entering "blindly".







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              Things you’ll find in the shuls you would like to visit (unlike Chabad):




              • Congregants don’t wear a gartel (waistbands)

              • The pronounciation of cholam (Chabad substitutes it with a tzere)

              • Typically only say the prescribed Kaddeshim (Kaddish) in their respective siddur (Chabad customarily will add pieces of liturgy or other things to say additional Kaddish)

              • Even unmarried chazzan for Shacharit will don a tallit


              (Will try to update as more come to mind. Feel free to add any.)






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                Things you’ll find in the shuls you would like to visit (unlike Chabad):




                • Congregants don’t wear a gartel (waistbands)

                • The pronounciation of cholam (Chabad substitutes it with a tzere)

                • Typically only say the prescribed Kaddeshim (Kaddish) in their respective siddur (Chabad customarily will add pieces of liturgy or other things to say additional Kaddish)

                • Even unmarried chazzan for Shacharit will don a tallit


                (Will try to update as more come to mind. Feel free to add any.)






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                  Things you’ll find in the shuls you would like to visit (unlike Chabad):




                  • Congregants don’t wear a gartel (waistbands)

                  • The pronounciation of cholam (Chabad substitutes it with a tzere)

                  • Typically only say the prescribed Kaddeshim (Kaddish) in their respective siddur (Chabad customarily will add pieces of liturgy or other things to say additional Kaddish)

                  • Even unmarried chazzan for Shacharit will don a tallit


                  (Will try to update as more come to mind. Feel free to add any.)






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                  Things you’ll find in the shuls you would like to visit (unlike Chabad):




                  • Congregants don’t wear a gartel (waistbands)

                  • The pronounciation of cholam (Chabad substitutes it with a tzere)

                  • Typically only say the prescribed Kaddeshim (Kaddish) in their respective siddur (Chabad customarily will add pieces of liturgy or other things to say additional Kaddish)

                  • Even unmarried chazzan for Shacharit will don a tallit


                  (Will try to update as more come to mind. Feel free to add any.)







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