Why is “The steerage” hailed “one of the greatest photographs of all time”?












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From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Steerage:




The Steerage is a photograph taken by Alfred Stieglitz in 1907. It has been hailed as one of the greatest photographs of all time because it captures in a single image both a formative document of its time and one of the first works of artistic modernism.



The Steerage




I just don't get it. It is a document for sure, but why is it so important? I don't have art background so I'm not sure what "artistic modernism" even is ("artistic modernism" image search yields pictures that are very different in style).



I can see how it's a reasonably good photograph, but I have no clue why do people say it's "one of the greatest photographs of all time". I also feel the same when seeing photographs in art galleries. What's the deal? What am I missing?










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    I don't get it either :(

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    It's "great" because some pompous "art expert" described it as such, nothing more, nothing less :)

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From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Steerage:




The Steerage is a photograph taken by Alfred Stieglitz in 1907. It has been hailed as one of the greatest photographs of all time because it captures in a single image both a formative document of its time and one of the first works of artistic modernism.



The Steerage




I just don't get it. It is a document for sure, but why is it so important? I don't have art background so I'm not sure what "artistic modernism" even is ("artistic modernism" image search yields pictures that are very different in style).



I can see how it's a reasonably good photograph, but I have no clue why do people say it's "one of the greatest photographs of all time". I also feel the same when seeing photographs in art galleries. What's the deal? What am I missing?










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    I don't get it either :(

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    It's "great" because some pompous "art expert" described it as such, nothing more, nothing less :)

    – JonathanReez
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From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Steerage:




The Steerage is a photograph taken by Alfred Stieglitz in 1907. It has been hailed as one of the greatest photographs of all time because it captures in a single image both a formative document of its time and one of the first works of artistic modernism.



The Steerage




I just don't get it. It is a document for sure, but why is it so important? I don't have art background so I'm not sure what "artistic modernism" even is ("artistic modernism" image search yields pictures that are very different in style).



I can see how it's a reasonably good photograph, but I have no clue why do people say it's "one of the greatest photographs of all time". I also feel the same when seeing photographs in art galleries. What's the deal? What am I missing?










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From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Steerage:




The Steerage is a photograph taken by Alfred Stieglitz in 1907. It has been hailed as one of the greatest photographs of all time because it captures in a single image both a formative document of its time and one of the first works of artistic modernism.



The Steerage




I just don't get it. It is a document for sure, but why is it so important? I don't have art background so I'm not sure what "artistic modernism" even is ("artistic modernism" image search yields pictures that are very different in style).



I can see how it's a reasonably good photograph, but I have no clue why do people say it's "one of the greatest photographs of all time". I also feel the same when seeing photographs in art galleries. What's the deal? What am I missing?







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  • 2





    I don't get it either :(

    – AbraCadaver
    6 hours ago






  • 2





    It's "great" because some pompous "art expert" described it as such, nothing more, nothing less :)

    – JonathanReez
    5 hours ago














  • 2





    I don't get it either :(

    – AbraCadaver
    6 hours ago






  • 2





    It's "great" because some pompous "art expert" described it as such, nothing more, nothing less :)

    – JonathanReez
    5 hours ago








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I don't get it either :(

– AbraCadaver
6 hours ago





I don't get it either :(

– AbraCadaver
6 hours ago




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It's "great" because some pompous "art expert" described it as such, nothing more, nothing less :)

– JonathanReez
5 hours ago





It's "great" because some pompous "art expert" described it as such, nothing more, nothing less :)

– JonathanReez
5 hours ago










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Stieglitz and his photo, "The Steerage" are hailed as great not because of its compositional excellence (at least one aspect of the composition is brilliant, and some of the lines in the frame can be seen as a kind of "proto-Cubism") or the technical merits of the photo. "The Steerage" is most significant because it was one of the first times a photograph was used to say something about human society with artistic intent while also presenting the scene as realistically as possible instead of either a) merely documenting it largely without comment or artistic intent or b) modifying it significantly to shape a possible message or artistic intent.



The way Stieglitz captured the photo was starkly different from the way those recognized by the art community as the highest practitioners of photography at that time were doing things. Those few photographers who "had something to say" in 1907 typically used the pictorialist style that used various methods to alter the realism of the scene to fit their message. Stieglitz himself was a pictorialist at the time, and only published The Steerage in 1911 over four years after taking the photo as he began moving away from pictorialism.



Rather than attempting to sugar coat things and make them look as romantically appealing as was the case with pictorialism, Stieglitz attempted (and succeeded with The Steerage) to show things as realistically as possible. To make an emotional impact, Stieglitz depended on the viewer seeing the contents of the scene as they were and understanding some of the underlying factors that led to the scene appearing the way it did while at the same time recognizing some of the more abstract elements of the scene and their significance.



The compositional stroke of genius was the way Steiglitz found an angle that placed the empty and immaculate gangway leading to first class off camera as an apparently impenetrable barrier between those pictured in steerage and those in first class luxury not pictured to the left of and behind the camera. The strong geometric lines of the gangway, the mast, the boom, the deck girder, and the steep staircase to the left serve to confine those in steerage. So although the photo itself was an unaltered view of reality, the elements of that reality and the way Steiglitz managed to place them in the frame had great metaphorical and symbolic significance.



In art, there are often two different kinds of masterpieces:




  • Those that break new ground and create a way of communicating that has never been done before. These are the "first of their kind" types of masterpieces.

  • Those that build on the former and reach an absolute pinnacle of a particular style that perfects it in such a way that after which there's nowhere higher for anyone else to go.


It is very rare for the same artist, much less the same work, to do both. Perhaps the best example that comes to mind is Earl Scruggs' 'three finger style' of playing the banjo that never existed before he developed it, and has never been topped by anyone after him.



Stieglitz's The Steerage is the first type. With it he introduced a new way of using photographs that were starkly realistic yet managed, through their carefully composed realism, to say things in a symbolic and metaphorical way. There are far better examples, in terms of composition and technical prowess, of what Stieglitz started with The Steerage. Some of the works of Weston, Adams, and Lange come to mind. But there are not many, if any, earlier examples.






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  • I was going to disagree with you, citing Jacib Riis but 'artistic intent got you off the hook... I wonder if the image was perceived differently in 1911 than it is today. Class differences were an accepted condition then, so to my eye the strength of the image has much to do with shared aspirations despite class differences...

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To me, it this picture is a masterpiece because its author basically invented the concept of "telling a story with a photo", while working with a fairly new technology. As (relatively) inexpensive camera were only emerging, (The brownie got out in 1900, and the 35mm film was introduced in 1905), taking this image in 1907 is like creating a great vlog (good production, great pacing, etc.) in 2008 (2 years after Google buys Youtube). It's kind of a big deal... even if by 2019 standards, said vlog is only "ok".



Note : Thanks to BobT for pointing out that the picture itself was taken by a 4x5 on a glass plate negative, not 35mm. I mentioned 35mm in the previous paragraph to emphasise the very recent emergence of popular photography. 35mm was basically the "mirrorless" in 1907 ;-) Many pros must still have been using plate cameras.



This question makes me think about the movie Citizen Kane.
I don't personally like this motion picture, but I can understand how the photography (new angles and patterns), narrative techniques and social commentary are seen as wonders by many experts. Welles INVENTED so many new ways to film and trigger emotions for this movie, that the art itself, moved forward.



To answer your question, I think this picture, in 1907, advanced the art of photography.
After this picture, photography was less technical, and a more concrete art-form.



It seems Stieglitz was an artist that wanted to tell real stories about real people and places... and he liked his medium so much, he, himself became part of the history of photography.



Also, I found this on modernism... thanks for making me check seek it out.






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    The picture was taken with a 4x5 on a glass plate negative, not 35mm.

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Answer is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Steerage



Roughly, a great metaphor, the rich at the top in the fresh air, the poor below, in the darkness.






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    Could you please expand your answer a bit?

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  • Everyone in the image is in "steerage". The first class sections of the ship were behind Stieglitz when he captured the frame.

    – Michael C
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  • OP linked to the Wiki in their post, is it worth also putting in an answer? I assume (perhaps wrongly) that they read through that before asking here.

    – BruceWayne
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  • The top deck on the bow was typically part of the steerage allowed areas (and generally undesirable because of the direct wind and spray). This answer is wrong, it is the same class of people above and below in this photo -- also evidenced by their dress.

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Stieglitz and his photo, "The Steerage" are hailed as great not because of its compositional excellence (at least one aspect of the composition is brilliant, and some of the lines in the frame can be seen as a kind of "proto-Cubism") or the technical merits of the photo. "The Steerage" is most significant because it was one of the first times a photograph was used to say something about human society with artistic intent while also presenting the scene as realistically as possible instead of either a) merely documenting it largely without comment or artistic intent or b) modifying it significantly to shape a possible message or artistic intent.



The way Stieglitz captured the photo was starkly different from the way those recognized by the art community as the highest practitioners of photography at that time were doing things. Those few photographers who "had something to say" in 1907 typically used the pictorialist style that used various methods to alter the realism of the scene to fit their message. Stieglitz himself was a pictorialist at the time, and only published The Steerage in 1911 over four years after taking the photo as he began moving away from pictorialism.



Rather than attempting to sugar coat things and make them look as romantically appealing as was the case with pictorialism, Stieglitz attempted (and succeeded with The Steerage) to show things as realistically as possible. To make an emotional impact, Stieglitz depended on the viewer seeing the contents of the scene as they were and understanding some of the underlying factors that led to the scene appearing the way it did while at the same time recognizing some of the more abstract elements of the scene and their significance.



The compositional stroke of genius was the way Steiglitz found an angle that placed the empty and immaculate gangway leading to first class off camera as an apparently impenetrable barrier between those pictured in steerage and those in first class luxury not pictured to the left of and behind the camera. The strong geometric lines of the gangway, the mast, the boom, the deck girder, and the steep staircase to the left serve to confine those in steerage. So although the photo itself was an unaltered view of reality, the elements of that reality and the way Steiglitz managed to place them in the frame had great metaphorical and symbolic significance.



In art, there are often two different kinds of masterpieces:




  • Those that break new ground and create a way of communicating that has never been done before. These are the "first of their kind" types of masterpieces.

  • Those that build on the former and reach an absolute pinnacle of a particular style that perfects it in such a way that after which there's nowhere higher for anyone else to go.


It is very rare for the same artist, much less the same work, to do both. Perhaps the best example that comes to mind is Earl Scruggs' 'three finger style' of playing the banjo that never existed before he developed it, and has never been topped by anyone after him.



Stieglitz's The Steerage is the first type. With it he introduced a new way of using photographs that were starkly realistic yet managed, through their carefully composed realism, to say things in a symbolic and metaphorical way. There are far better examples, in terms of composition and technical prowess, of what Stieglitz started with The Steerage. Some of the works of Weston, Adams, and Lange come to mind. But there are not many, if any, earlier examples.






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  • I was going to disagree with you, citing Jacib Riis but 'artistic intent got you off the hook... I wonder if the image was perceived differently in 1911 than it is today. Class differences were an accepted condition then, so to my eye the strength of the image has much to do with shared aspirations despite class differences...

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Stieglitz and his photo, "The Steerage" are hailed as great not because of its compositional excellence (at least one aspect of the composition is brilliant, and some of the lines in the frame can be seen as a kind of "proto-Cubism") or the technical merits of the photo. "The Steerage" is most significant because it was one of the first times a photograph was used to say something about human society with artistic intent while also presenting the scene as realistically as possible instead of either a) merely documenting it largely without comment or artistic intent or b) modifying it significantly to shape a possible message or artistic intent.



The way Stieglitz captured the photo was starkly different from the way those recognized by the art community as the highest practitioners of photography at that time were doing things. Those few photographers who "had something to say" in 1907 typically used the pictorialist style that used various methods to alter the realism of the scene to fit their message. Stieglitz himself was a pictorialist at the time, and only published The Steerage in 1911 over four years after taking the photo as he began moving away from pictorialism.



Rather than attempting to sugar coat things and make them look as romantically appealing as was the case with pictorialism, Stieglitz attempted (and succeeded with The Steerage) to show things as realistically as possible. To make an emotional impact, Stieglitz depended on the viewer seeing the contents of the scene as they were and understanding some of the underlying factors that led to the scene appearing the way it did while at the same time recognizing some of the more abstract elements of the scene and their significance.



The compositional stroke of genius was the way Steiglitz found an angle that placed the empty and immaculate gangway leading to first class off camera as an apparently impenetrable barrier between those pictured in steerage and those in first class luxury not pictured to the left of and behind the camera. The strong geometric lines of the gangway, the mast, the boom, the deck girder, and the steep staircase to the left serve to confine those in steerage. So although the photo itself was an unaltered view of reality, the elements of that reality and the way Steiglitz managed to place them in the frame had great metaphorical and symbolic significance.



In art, there are often two different kinds of masterpieces:




  • Those that break new ground and create a way of communicating that has never been done before. These are the "first of their kind" types of masterpieces.

  • Those that build on the former and reach an absolute pinnacle of a particular style that perfects it in such a way that after which there's nowhere higher for anyone else to go.


It is very rare for the same artist, much less the same work, to do both. Perhaps the best example that comes to mind is Earl Scruggs' 'three finger style' of playing the banjo that never existed before he developed it, and has never been topped by anyone after him.



Stieglitz's The Steerage is the first type. With it he introduced a new way of using photographs that were starkly realistic yet managed, through their carefully composed realism, to say things in a symbolic and metaphorical way. There are far better examples, in terms of composition and technical prowess, of what Stieglitz started with The Steerage. Some of the works of Weston, Adams, and Lange come to mind. But there are not many, if any, earlier examples.






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  • I was going to disagree with you, citing Jacib Riis but 'artistic intent got you off the hook... I wonder if the image was perceived differently in 1911 than it is today. Class differences were an accepted condition then, so to my eye the strength of the image has much to do with shared aspirations despite class differences...

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Stieglitz and his photo, "The Steerage" are hailed as great not because of its compositional excellence (at least one aspect of the composition is brilliant, and some of the lines in the frame can be seen as a kind of "proto-Cubism") or the technical merits of the photo. "The Steerage" is most significant because it was one of the first times a photograph was used to say something about human society with artistic intent while also presenting the scene as realistically as possible instead of either a) merely documenting it largely without comment or artistic intent or b) modifying it significantly to shape a possible message or artistic intent.



The way Stieglitz captured the photo was starkly different from the way those recognized by the art community as the highest practitioners of photography at that time were doing things. Those few photographers who "had something to say" in 1907 typically used the pictorialist style that used various methods to alter the realism of the scene to fit their message. Stieglitz himself was a pictorialist at the time, and only published The Steerage in 1911 over four years after taking the photo as he began moving away from pictorialism.



Rather than attempting to sugar coat things and make them look as romantically appealing as was the case with pictorialism, Stieglitz attempted (and succeeded with The Steerage) to show things as realistically as possible. To make an emotional impact, Stieglitz depended on the viewer seeing the contents of the scene as they were and understanding some of the underlying factors that led to the scene appearing the way it did while at the same time recognizing some of the more abstract elements of the scene and their significance.



The compositional stroke of genius was the way Steiglitz found an angle that placed the empty and immaculate gangway leading to first class off camera as an apparently impenetrable barrier between those pictured in steerage and those in first class luxury not pictured to the left of and behind the camera. The strong geometric lines of the gangway, the mast, the boom, the deck girder, and the steep staircase to the left serve to confine those in steerage. So although the photo itself was an unaltered view of reality, the elements of that reality and the way Steiglitz managed to place them in the frame had great metaphorical and symbolic significance.



In art, there are often two different kinds of masterpieces:




  • Those that break new ground and create a way of communicating that has never been done before. These are the "first of their kind" types of masterpieces.

  • Those that build on the former and reach an absolute pinnacle of a particular style that perfects it in such a way that after which there's nowhere higher for anyone else to go.


It is very rare for the same artist, much less the same work, to do both. Perhaps the best example that comes to mind is Earl Scruggs' 'three finger style' of playing the banjo that never existed before he developed it, and has never been topped by anyone after him.



Stieglitz's The Steerage is the first type. With it he introduced a new way of using photographs that were starkly realistic yet managed, through their carefully composed realism, to say things in a symbolic and metaphorical way. There are far better examples, in terms of composition and technical prowess, of what Stieglitz started with The Steerage. Some of the works of Weston, Adams, and Lange come to mind. But there are not many, if any, earlier examples.






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Stieglitz and his photo, "The Steerage" are hailed as great not because of its compositional excellence (at least one aspect of the composition is brilliant, and some of the lines in the frame can be seen as a kind of "proto-Cubism") or the technical merits of the photo. "The Steerage" is most significant because it was one of the first times a photograph was used to say something about human society with artistic intent while also presenting the scene as realistically as possible instead of either a) merely documenting it largely without comment or artistic intent or b) modifying it significantly to shape a possible message or artistic intent.



The way Stieglitz captured the photo was starkly different from the way those recognized by the art community as the highest practitioners of photography at that time were doing things. Those few photographers who "had something to say" in 1907 typically used the pictorialist style that used various methods to alter the realism of the scene to fit their message. Stieglitz himself was a pictorialist at the time, and only published The Steerage in 1911 over four years after taking the photo as he began moving away from pictorialism.



Rather than attempting to sugar coat things and make them look as romantically appealing as was the case with pictorialism, Stieglitz attempted (and succeeded with The Steerage) to show things as realistically as possible. To make an emotional impact, Stieglitz depended on the viewer seeing the contents of the scene as they were and understanding some of the underlying factors that led to the scene appearing the way it did while at the same time recognizing some of the more abstract elements of the scene and their significance.



The compositional stroke of genius was the way Steiglitz found an angle that placed the empty and immaculate gangway leading to first class off camera as an apparently impenetrable barrier between those pictured in steerage and those in first class luxury not pictured to the left of and behind the camera. The strong geometric lines of the gangway, the mast, the boom, the deck girder, and the steep staircase to the left serve to confine those in steerage. So although the photo itself was an unaltered view of reality, the elements of that reality and the way Steiglitz managed to place them in the frame had great metaphorical and symbolic significance.



In art, there are often two different kinds of masterpieces:




  • Those that break new ground and create a way of communicating that has never been done before. These are the "first of their kind" types of masterpieces.

  • Those that build on the former and reach an absolute pinnacle of a particular style that perfects it in such a way that after which there's nowhere higher for anyone else to go.


It is very rare for the same artist, much less the same work, to do both. Perhaps the best example that comes to mind is Earl Scruggs' 'three finger style' of playing the banjo that never existed before he developed it, and has never been topped by anyone after him.



Stieglitz's The Steerage is the first type. With it he introduced a new way of using photographs that were starkly realistic yet managed, through their carefully composed realism, to say things in a symbolic and metaphorical way. There are far better examples, in terms of composition and technical prowess, of what Stieglitz started with The Steerage. Some of the works of Weston, Adams, and Lange come to mind. But there are not many, if any, earlier examples.







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  • I was going to disagree with you, citing Jacib Riis but 'artistic intent got you off the hook... I wonder if the image was perceived differently in 1911 than it is today. Class differences were an accepted condition then, so to my eye the strength of the image has much to do with shared aspirations despite class differences...

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  • I was going to disagree with you, citing Jacib Riis but 'artistic intent got you off the hook... I wonder if the image was perceived differently in 1911 than it is today. Class differences were an accepted condition then, so to my eye the strength of the image has much to do with shared aspirations despite class differences...

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I was going to disagree with you, citing Jacib Riis but 'artistic intent got you off the hook... I wonder if the image was perceived differently in 1911 than it is today. Class differences were an accepted condition then, so to my eye the strength of the image has much to do with shared aspirations despite class differences...

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I was going to disagree with you, citing Jacib Riis but 'artistic intent got you off the hook... I wonder if the image was perceived differently in 1911 than it is today. Class differences were an accepted condition then, so to my eye the strength of the image has much to do with shared aspirations despite class differences...

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To me, it this picture is a masterpiece because its author basically invented the concept of "telling a story with a photo", while working with a fairly new technology. As (relatively) inexpensive camera were only emerging, (The brownie got out in 1900, and the 35mm film was introduced in 1905), taking this image in 1907 is like creating a great vlog (good production, great pacing, etc.) in 2008 (2 years after Google buys Youtube). It's kind of a big deal... even if by 2019 standards, said vlog is only "ok".



Note : Thanks to BobT for pointing out that the picture itself was taken by a 4x5 on a glass plate negative, not 35mm. I mentioned 35mm in the previous paragraph to emphasise the very recent emergence of popular photography. 35mm was basically the "mirrorless" in 1907 ;-) Many pros must still have been using plate cameras.



This question makes me think about the movie Citizen Kane.
I don't personally like this motion picture, but I can understand how the photography (new angles and patterns), narrative techniques and social commentary are seen as wonders by many experts. Welles INVENTED so many new ways to film and trigger emotions for this movie, that the art itself, moved forward.



To answer your question, I think this picture, in 1907, advanced the art of photography.
After this picture, photography was less technical, and a more concrete art-form.



It seems Stieglitz was an artist that wanted to tell real stories about real people and places... and he liked his medium so much, he, himself became part of the history of photography.



Also, I found this on modernism... thanks for making me check seek it out.






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To me, it this picture is a masterpiece because its author basically invented the concept of "telling a story with a photo", while working with a fairly new technology. As (relatively) inexpensive camera were only emerging, (The brownie got out in 1900, and the 35mm film was introduced in 1905), taking this image in 1907 is like creating a great vlog (good production, great pacing, etc.) in 2008 (2 years after Google buys Youtube). It's kind of a big deal... even if by 2019 standards, said vlog is only "ok".



Note : Thanks to BobT for pointing out that the picture itself was taken by a 4x5 on a glass plate negative, not 35mm. I mentioned 35mm in the previous paragraph to emphasise the very recent emergence of popular photography. 35mm was basically the "mirrorless" in 1907 ;-) Many pros must still have been using plate cameras.



This question makes me think about the movie Citizen Kane.
I don't personally like this motion picture, but I can understand how the photography (new angles and patterns), narrative techniques and social commentary are seen as wonders by many experts. Welles INVENTED so many new ways to film and trigger emotions for this movie, that the art itself, moved forward.



To answer your question, I think this picture, in 1907, advanced the art of photography.
After this picture, photography was less technical, and a more concrete art-form.



It seems Stieglitz was an artist that wanted to tell real stories about real people and places... and he liked his medium so much, he, himself became part of the history of photography.



Also, I found this on modernism... thanks for making me check seek it out.






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To me, it this picture is a masterpiece because its author basically invented the concept of "telling a story with a photo", while working with a fairly new technology. As (relatively) inexpensive camera were only emerging, (The brownie got out in 1900, and the 35mm film was introduced in 1905), taking this image in 1907 is like creating a great vlog (good production, great pacing, etc.) in 2008 (2 years after Google buys Youtube). It's kind of a big deal... even if by 2019 standards, said vlog is only "ok".



Note : Thanks to BobT for pointing out that the picture itself was taken by a 4x5 on a glass plate negative, not 35mm. I mentioned 35mm in the previous paragraph to emphasise the very recent emergence of popular photography. 35mm was basically the "mirrorless" in 1907 ;-) Many pros must still have been using plate cameras.



This question makes me think about the movie Citizen Kane.
I don't personally like this motion picture, but I can understand how the photography (new angles and patterns), narrative techniques and social commentary are seen as wonders by many experts. Welles INVENTED so many new ways to film and trigger emotions for this movie, that the art itself, moved forward.



To answer your question, I think this picture, in 1907, advanced the art of photography.
After this picture, photography was less technical, and a more concrete art-form.



It seems Stieglitz was an artist that wanted to tell real stories about real people and places... and he liked his medium so much, he, himself became part of the history of photography.



Also, I found this on modernism... thanks for making me check seek it out.






share|improve this answer















To me, it this picture is a masterpiece because its author basically invented the concept of "telling a story with a photo", while working with a fairly new technology. As (relatively) inexpensive camera were only emerging, (The brownie got out in 1900, and the 35mm film was introduced in 1905), taking this image in 1907 is like creating a great vlog (good production, great pacing, etc.) in 2008 (2 years after Google buys Youtube). It's kind of a big deal... even if by 2019 standards, said vlog is only "ok".



Note : Thanks to BobT for pointing out that the picture itself was taken by a 4x5 on a glass plate negative, not 35mm. I mentioned 35mm in the previous paragraph to emphasise the very recent emergence of popular photography. 35mm was basically the "mirrorless" in 1907 ;-) Many pros must still have been using plate cameras.



This question makes me think about the movie Citizen Kane.
I don't personally like this motion picture, but I can understand how the photography (new angles and patterns), narrative techniques and social commentary are seen as wonders by many experts. Welles INVENTED so many new ways to film and trigger emotions for this movie, that the art itself, moved forward.



To answer your question, I think this picture, in 1907, advanced the art of photography.
After this picture, photography was less technical, and a more concrete art-form.



It seems Stieglitz was an artist that wanted to tell real stories about real people and places... and he liked his medium so much, he, himself became part of the history of photography.



Also, I found this on modernism... thanks for making me check seek it out.







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    The picture was taken with a 4x5 on a glass plate negative, not 35mm.

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    The picture was taken with a 4x5 on a glass plate negative, not 35mm.

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The picture was taken with a 4x5 on a glass plate negative, not 35mm.

– BobT
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The picture was taken with a 4x5 on a glass plate negative, not 35mm.

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Answer is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Steerage



Roughly, a great metaphor, the rich at the top in the fresh air, the poor below, in the darkness.






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    Could you please expand your answer a bit?

    – Philip Kendall
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  • Everyone in the image is in "steerage". The first class sections of the ship were behind Stieglitz when he captured the frame.

    – Michael C
    7 hours ago











  • OP linked to the Wiki in their post, is it worth also putting in an answer? I assume (perhaps wrongly) that they read through that before asking here.

    – BruceWayne
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  • The top deck on the bow was typically part of the steerage allowed areas (and generally undesirable because of the direct wind and spray). This answer is wrong, it is the same class of people above and below in this photo -- also evidenced by their dress.

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    1 hour ago
















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Answer is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Steerage



Roughly, a great metaphor, the rich at the top in the fresh air, the poor below, in the darkness.






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    Could you please expand your answer a bit?

    – Philip Kendall
    12 hours ago











  • Everyone in the image is in "steerage". The first class sections of the ship were behind Stieglitz when he captured the frame.

    – Michael C
    7 hours ago











  • OP linked to the Wiki in their post, is it worth also putting in an answer? I assume (perhaps wrongly) that they read through that before asking here.

    – BruceWayne
    6 hours ago













  • The top deck on the bow was typically part of the steerage allowed areas (and generally undesirable because of the direct wind and spray). This answer is wrong, it is the same class of people above and below in this photo -- also evidenced by their dress.

    – Brock Adams
    1 hour ago














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Answer is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Steerage



Roughly, a great metaphor, the rich at the top in the fresh air, the poor below, in the darkness.






share|improve this answer















Answer is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Steerage



Roughly, a great metaphor, the rich at the top in the fresh air, the poor below, in the darkness.







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    Could you please expand your answer a bit?

    – Philip Kendall
    12 hours ago











  • Everyone in the image is in "steerage". The first class sections of the ship were behind Stieglitz when he captured the frame.

    – Michael C
    7 hours ago











  • OP linked to the Wiki in their post, is it worth also putting in an answer? I assume (perhaps wrongly) that they read through that before asking here.

    – BruceWayne
    6 hours ago













  • The top deck on the bow was typically part of the steerage allowed areas (and generally undesirable because of the direct wind and spray). This answer is wrong, it is the same class of people above and below in this photo -- also evidenced by their dress.

    – Brock Adams
    1 hour ago














  • 4





    Could you please expand your answer a bit?

    – Philip Kendall
    12 hours ago











  • Everyone in the image is in "steerage". The first class sections of the ship were behind Stieglitz when he captured the frame.

    – Michael C
    7 hours ago











  • OP linked to the Wiki in their post, is it worth also putting in an answer? I assume (perhaps wrongly) that they read through that before asking here.

    – BruceWayne
    6 hours ago













  • The top deck on the bow was typically part of the steerage allowed areas (and generally undesirable because of the direct wind and spray). This answer is wrong, it is the same class of people above and below in this photo -- also evidenced by their dress.

    – Brock Adams
    1 hour ago








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Could you please expand your answer a bit?

– Philip Kendall
12 hours ago





Could you please expand your answer a bit?

– Philip Kendall
12 hours ago













Everyone in the image is in "steerage". The first class sections of the ship were behind Stieglitz when he captured the frame.

– Michael C
7 hours ago





Everyone in the image is in "steerage". The first class sections of the ship were behind Stieglitz when he captured the frame.

– Michael C
7 hours ago













OP linked to the Wiki in their post, is it worth also putting in an answer? I assume (perhaps wrongly) that they read through that before asking here.

– BruceWayne
6 hours ago







OP linked to the Wiki in their post, is it worth also putting in an answer? I assume (perhaps wrongly) that they read through that before asking here.

– BruceWayne
6 hours ago















The top deck on the bow was typically part of the steerage allowed areas (and generally undesirable because of the direct wind and spray). This answer is wrong, it is the same class of people above and below in this photo -- also evidenced by their dress.

– Brock Adams
1 hour ago





The top deck on the bow was typically part of the steerage allowed areas (and generally undesirable because of the direct wind and spray). This answer is wrong, it is the same class of people above and below in this photo -- also evidenced by their dress.

– Brock Adams
1 hour ago










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