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I took an introductory course to networking this semester and I was wondering:
looking at things at the layer 4 level using TCP can the throughput on the network exceed its bandwidth? According to the definition I believe throughput is defined as the percentage of packets on a link whether they fail to reach the other end or not.
If that's the true definition and a network theoretically can run at 100% of its bandwidth wouldn't all window sizes of senders on that link now grow larger too and altogether exceed the bandwidth of the entire link?
In other words the throughput momentarily would exceed 100% which would surely lead to packet loss, am I correct to think of it this way?










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    Can there be 25hrs in a day? A 1Gb link is a 1Gb link. No amount of prayer or math can make it move more than 1Gb. You can throw more than 1Gb at it, but only 1Gb will ever get through it. The rest is either delayed (queued) or lost (dropped)

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I took an introductory course to networking this semester and I was wondering:
looking at things at the layer 4 level using TCP can the throughput on the network exceed its bandwidth? According to the definition I believe throughput is defined as the percentage of packets on a link whether they fail to reach the other end or not.
If that's the true definition and a network theoretically can run at 100% of its bandwidth wouldn't all window sizes of senders on that link now grow larger too and altogether exceed the bandwidth of the entire link?
In other words the throughput momentarily would exceed 100% which would surely lead to packet loss, am I correct to think of it this way?










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    Can there be 25hrs in a day? A 1Gb link is a 1Gb link. No amount of prayer or math can make it move more than 1Gb. You can throw more than 1Gb at it, but only 1Gb will ever get through it. The rest is either delayed (queued) or lost (dropped)

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I took an introductory course to networking this semester and I was wondering:
looking at things at the layer 4 level using TCP can the throughput on the network exceed its bandwidth? According to the definition I believe throughput is defined as the percentage of packets on a link whether they fail to reach the other end or not.
If that's the true definition and a network theoretically can run at 100% of its bandwidth wouldn't all window sizes of senders on that link now grow larger too and altogether exceed the bandwidth of the entire link?
In other words the throughput momentarily would exceed 100% which would surely lead to packet loss, am I correct to think of it this way?










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I took an introductory course to networking this semester and I was wondering:
looking at things at the layer 4 level using TCP can the throughput on the network exceed its bandwidth? According to the definition I believe throughput is defined as the percentage of packets on a link whether they fail to reach the other end or not.
If that's the true definition and a network theoretically can run at 100% of its bandwidth wouldn't all window sizes of senders on that link now grow larger too and altogether exceed the bandwidth of the entire link?
In other words the throughput momentarily would exceed 100% which would surely lead to packet loss, am I correct to think of it this way?







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    Can there be 25hrs in a day? A 1Gb link is a 1Gb link. No amount of prayer or math can make it move more than 1Gb. You can throw more than 1Gb at it, but only 1Gb will ever get through it. The rest is either delayed (queued) or lost (dropped)

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    Can there be 25hrs in a day? A 1Gb link is a 1Gb link. No amount of prayer or math can make it move more than 1Gb. You can throw more than 1Gb at it, but only 1Gb will ever get through it. The rest is either delayed (queued) or lost (dropped)

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Can there be 25hrs in a day? A 1Gb link is a 1Gb link. No amount of prayer or math can make it move more than 1Gb. You can throw more than 1Gb at it, but only 1Gb will ever get through it. The rest is either delayed (queued) or lost (dropped)

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Can there be 25hrs in a day? A 1Gb link is a 1Gb link. No amount of prayer or math can make it move more than 1Gb. You can throw more than 1Gb at it, but only 1Gb will ever get through it. The rest is either delayed (queued) or lost (dropped)

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The bandwidth is the number of bits that can be sent on a link in one second. The throughput is the amount of data sent, and that will need to subtract the protocol overhead from the bandwidth, so no, the throughput cannot exceed the bandwidth. It may seem that way if you compress the data, but that is an illusion.






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  • Well if I send more than the network link can handle wouldn't it still be accounted for? As in we could exceed 100% although it would surely cause segments to be lost

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  • It would simply be queued or dropped at the interface. You cannot send more bits than the interface can send during a specific time period (one second).

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  • I see, so what matters is what is physically sent, I've always looked at the throughput "through the eyes" of the sender meaning the sender could send more than what the network could handle. Thanks for making it clear.

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  • The bandwidth limits the number of bits that can be transmitted per second. So you can't send more than that.

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  • Typically, the throughput is measured in bytes, not bits, of the application data sent during a specific time period. You must subtract the protocol overhead to arrive at the throughput, which can also be affected by slow host processing, waiting for ACKs, etc. It is how much useful data is actually sent.

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TCP also implements a receive window that's sent in the ACK for each received packet, so if you try to overload the host on the other end, it'll set the receive window to a smaller value as the TCP receive buffer fills, until finally it's set to 0 to tell the sending party to back off until it has had time process the incoming packets and hand them off to the upper layers of the networking stack. So this limits the sending capabilities. Also, if a network switch were to drop a frame due to over-congestion, that will cause TCP to halt everything, ask for a fast retransmit of the missing packet (since packets will start to arrive out of order), and then resume processing of the other packets. TCP doesn't care about maximum speed or throughput, it cares about getting every single frame through, in order and without errors. For what you're describing to even happen, you'd need to use another Layer 4 protocol, preferably something which doesn't care about anything, like UDP.






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    Yes, sort of. ISPs often "oversell" the capacities of their lines, so that the total throughput available to the users is greater than the capacity of their line. They do this because usually the data the users use is significantly less than what they'd be allowed to use, theoretically - it's rare for all of the users to use their maximum allocated capacity at the same time. For instance, if they have a line that has 1 GB/s of throughput, they might sell 50 100 MB/s plans to their customers.






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      The bandwidth is the number of bits that can be sent on a link in one second. The throughput is the amount of data sent, and that will need to subtract the protocol overhead from the bandwidth, so no, the throughput cannot exceed the bandwidth. It may seem that way if you compress the data, but that is an illusion.






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      • Well if I send more than the network link can handle wouldn't it still be accounted for? As in we could exceed 100% although it would surely cause segments to be lost

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      • It would simply be queued or dropped at the interface. You cannot send more bits than the interface can send during a specific time period (one second).

        – Ron Maupin
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      • I see, so what matters is what is physically sent, I've always looked at the throughput "through the eyes" of the sender meaning the sender could send more than what the network could handle. Thanks for making it clear.

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      • The bandwidth limits the number of bits that can be transmitted per second. So you can't send more than that.

        – Ron Trunk
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      • Typically, the throughput is measured in bytes, not bits, of the application data sent during a specific time period. You must subtract the protocol overhead to arrive at the throughput, which can also be affected by slow host processing, waiting for ACKs, etc. It is how much useful data is actually sent.

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      The bandwidth is the number of bits that can be sent on a link in one second. The throughput is the amount of data sent, and that will need to subtract the protocol overhead from the bandwidth, so no, the throughput cannot exceed the bandwidth. It may seem that way if you compress the data, but that is an illusion.






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      • Well if I send more than the network link can handle wouldn't it still be accounted for? As in we could exceed 100% although it would surely cause segments to be lost

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      • It would simply be queued or dropped at the interface. You cannot send more bits than the interface can send during a specific time period (one second).

        – Ron Maupin
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      • I see, so what matters is what is physically sent, I've always looked at the throughput "through the eyes" of the sender meaning the sender could send more than what the network could handle. Thanks for making it clear.

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        11 hours ago













      • The bandwidth limits the number of bits that can be transmitted per second. So you can't send more than that.

        – Ron Trunk
        11 hours ago











      • Typically, the throughput is measured in bytes, not bits, of the application data sent during a specific time period. You must subtract the protocol overhead to arrive at the throughput, which can also be affected by slow host processing, waiting for ACKs, etc. It is how much useful data is actually sent.

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      The bandwidth is the number of bits that can be sent on a link in one second. The throughput is the amount of data sent, and that will need to subtract the protocol overhead from the bandwidth, so no, the throughput cannot exceed the bandwidth. It may seem that way if you compress the data, but that is an illusion.






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      The bandwidth is the number of bits that can be sent on a link in one second. The throughput is the amount of data sent, and that will need to subtract the protocol overhead from the bandwidth, so no, the throughput cannot exceed the bandwidth. It may seem that way if you compress the data, but that is an illusion.







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      • Well if I send more than the network link can handle wouldn't it still be accounted for? As in we could exceed 100% although it would surely cause segments to be lost

        – edan patt
        11 hours ago











      • It would simply be queued or dropped at the interface. You cannot send more bits than the interface can send during a specific time period (one second).

        – Ron Maupin
        11 hours ago











      • I see, so what matters is what is physically sent, I've always looked at the throughput "through the eyes" of the sender meaning the sender could send more than what the network could handle. Thanks for making it clear.

        – edan patt
        11 hours ago













      • The bandwidth limits the number of bits that can be transmitted per second. So you can't send more than that.

        – Ron Trunk
        11 hours ago











      • Typically, the throughput is measured in bytes, not bits, of the application data sent during a specific time period. You must subtract the protocol overhead to arrive at the throughput, which can also be affected by slow host processing, waiting for ACKs, etc. It is how much useful data is actually sent.

        – Ron Maupin
        11 hours ago





















      • Well if I send more than the network link can handle wouldn't it still be accounted for? As in we could exceed 100% although it would surely cause segments to be lost

        – edan patt
        11 hours ago











      • It would simply be queued or dropped at the interface. You cannot send more bits than the interface can send during a specific time period (one second).

        – Ron Maupin
        11 hours ago











      • I see, so what matters is what is physically sent, I've always looked at the throughput "through the eyes" of the sender meaning the sender could send more than what the network could handle. Thanks for making it clear.

        – edan patt
        11 hours ago













      • The bandwidth limits the number of bits that can be transmitted per second. So you can't send more than that.

        – Ron Trunk
        11 hours ago











      • Typically, the throughput is measured in bytes, not bits, of the application data sent during a specific time period. You must subtract the protocol overhead to arrive at the throughput, which can also be affected by slow host processing, waiting for ACKs, etc. It is how much useful data is actually sent.

        – Ron Maupin
        11 hours ago



















      Well if I send more than the network link can handle wouldn't it still be accounted for? As in we could exceed 100% although it would surely cause segments to be lost

      – edan patt
      11 hours ago





      Well if I send more than the network link can handle wouldn't it still be accounted for? As in we could exceed 100% although it would surely cause segments to be lost

      – edan patt
      11 hours ago













      It would simply be queued or dropped at the interface. You cannot send more bits than the interface can send during a specific time period (one second).

      – Ron Maupin
      11 hours ago





      It would simply be queued or dropped at the interface. You cannot send more bits than the interface can send during a specific time period (one second).

      – Ron Maupin
      11 hours ago













      I see, so what matters is what is physically sent, I've always looked at the throughput "through the eyes" of the sender meaning the sender could send more than what the network could handle. Thanks for making it clear.

      – edan patt
      11 hours ago







      I see, so what matters is what is physically sent, I've always looked at the throughput "through the eyes" of the sender meaning the sender could send more than what the network could handle. Thanks for making it clear.

      – edan patt
      11 hours ago















      The bandwidth limits the number of bits that can be transmitted per second. So you can't send more than that.

      – Ron Trunk
      11 hours ago





      The bandwidth limits the number of bits that can be transmitted per second. So you can't send more than that.

      – Ron Trunk
      11 hours ago













      Typically, the throughput is measured in bytes, not bits, of the application data sent during a specific time period. You must subtract the protocol overhead to arrive at the throughput, which can also be affected by slow host processing, waiting for ACKs, etc. It is how much useful data is actually sent.

      – Ron Maupin
      11 hours ago







      Typically, the throughput is measured in bytes, not bits, of the application data sent during a specific time period. You must subtract the protocol overhead to arrive at the throughput, which can also be affected by slow host processing, waiting for ACKs, etc. It is how much useful data is actually sent.

      – Ron Maupin
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      TCP also implements a receive window that's sent in the ACK for each received packet, so if you try to overload the host on the other end, it'll set the receive window to a smaller value as the TCP receive buffer fills, until finally it's set to 0 to tell the sending party to back off until it has had time process the incoming packets and hand them off to the upper layers of the networking stack. So this limits the sending capabilities. Also, if a network switch were to drop a frame due to over-congestion, that will cause TCP to halt everything, ask for a fast retransmit of the missing packet (since packets will start to arrive out of order), and then resume processing of the other packets. TCP doesn't care about maximum speed or throughput, it cares about getting every single frame through, in order and without errors. For what you're describing to even happen, you'd need to use another Layer 4 protocol, preferably something which doesn't care about anything, like UDP.






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        TCP also implements a receive window that's sent in the ACK for each received packet, so if you try to overload the host on the other end, it'll set the receive window to a smaller value as the TCP receive buffer fills, until finally it's set to 0 to tell the sending party to back off until it has had time process the incoming packets and hand them off to the upper layers of the networking stack. So this limits the sending capabilities. Also, if a network switch were to drop a frame due to over-congestion, that will cause TCP to halt everything, ask for a fast retransmit of the missing packet (since packets will start to arrive out of order), and then resume processing of the other packets. TCP doesn't care about maximum speed or throughput, it cares about getting every single frame through, in order and without errors. For what you're describing to even happen, you'd need to use another Layer 4 protocol, preferably something which doesn't care about anything, like UDP.






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          TCP also implements a receive window that's sent in the ACK for each received packet, so if you try to overload the host on the other end, it'll set the receive window to a smaller value as the TCP receive buffer fills, until finally it's set to 0 to tell the sending party to back off until it has had time process the incoming packets and hand them off to the upper layers of the networking stack. So this limits the sending capabilities. Also, if a network switch were to drop a frame due to over-congestion, that will cause TCP to halt everything, ask for a fast retransmit of the missing packet (since packets will start to arrive out of order), and then resume processing of the other packets. TCP doesn't care about maximum speed or throughput, it cares about getting every single frame through, in order and without errors. For what you're describing to even happen, you'd need to use another Layer 4 protocol, preferably something which doesn't care about anything, like UDP.






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          TCP also implements a receive window that's sent in the ACK for each received packet, so if you try to overload the host on the other end, it'll set the receive window to a smaller value as the TCP receive buffer fills, until finally it's set to 0 to tell the sending party to back off until it has had time process the incoming packets and hand them off to the upper layers of the networking stack. So this limits the sending capabilities. Also, if a network switch were to drop a frame due to over-congestion, that will cause TCP to halt everything, ask for a fast retransmit of the missing packet (since packets will start to arrive out of order), and then resume processing of the other packets. TCP doesn't care about maximum speed or throughput, it cares about getting every single frame through, in order and without errors. For what you're describing to even happen, you'd need to use another Layer 4 protocol, preferably something which doesn't care about anything, like UDP.







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              Yes, sort of. ISPs often "oversell" the capacities of their lines, so that the total throughput available to the users is greater than the capacity of their line. They do this because usually the data the users use is significantly less than what they'd be allowed to use, theoretically - it's rare for all of the users to use their maximum allocated capacity at the same time. For instance, if they have a line that has 1 GB/s of throughput, they might sell 50 100 MB/s plans to their customers.






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