Does Brexit deal being voted down involve that Brexit is not going to happen?
Just looking at TV and I am seeing that British Parliament rejected Brexit deal (cannot find an online source yet for this, although multiple source shown this vote result as very plausible).
Does this mean that Brexit is not going to happen or is this only one of the possible scenarios in the near future?
An answer to this question is interesting especially when UK can legally cancel the Brexit process.
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Just looking at TV and I am seeing that British Parliament rejected Brexit deal (cannot find an online source yet for this, although multiple source shown this vote result as very plausible).
Does this mean that Brexit is not going to happen or is this only one of the possible scenarios in the near future?
An answer to this question is interesting especially when UK can legally cancel the Brexit process.
united-kingdom brexit parliament
asked 11 hours ago
AlexeiAlexei
15.4k1887166
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I've voted to close this as off-topic because you're asking about the broad spectrum of future events that may fall out from the vote on the plan. There branch cases for what could now happen with brexit are multitudinous.
– Drunk Cynic
11 hours ago
5
@DrunkCynic - I am asking if Parliament's decision involves (logically / legally) that Brexit is not going to happen or there are many other possibilities. Your comment suggests that the answer to my question is: no, this does not mean that Brexit process is automatically cancelled.
– Alexei
11 hours ago
add a comment |
Just looking at TV and I am seeing that British Parliament rejected Brexit deal (cannot find an online source yet for this, although multiple source shown this vote result as very plausible).
Does this mean that Brexit is not going to happen or is this only one of the possible scenarios in the near future?
An answer to this question is interesting especially when UK can legally cancel the Brexit process.
united-kingdom brexit parliament
asked 11 hours ago
AlexeiAlexei
15.4k1887166
Just looking at TV and I am seeing that British Parliament rejected Brexit deal (cannot find an online source yet for this, although multiple source shown this vote result as very plausible).
Does this mean that Brexit is not going to happen or is this only one of the possible scenarios in the near future?
An answer to this question is interesting especially when UK can legally cancel the Brexit process.
united-kingdom brexit parliament
united-kingdom brexit parliament
asked 11 hours ago
AlexeiAlexei
15.4k1887166
asked 11 hours ago
AlexeiAlexei
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edited 11 hours ago
Alexei
asked 11 hours ago
AlexeiAlexei
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asked 11 hours ago
AlexeiAlexei
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asked 11 hours ago
AlexeiAlexei
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I've voted to close this as off-topic because you're asking about the broad spectrum of future events that may fall out from the vote on the plan. There branch cases for what could now happen with brexit are multitudinous.
– Drunk Cynic
11 hours ago
5
@DrunkCynic - I am asking if Parliament's decision involves (logically / legally) that Brexit is not going to happen or there are many other possibilities. Your comment suggests that the answer to my question is: no, this does not mean that Brexit process is automatically cancelled.
– Alexei
11 hours ago
add a comment |
1
I've voted to close this as off-topic because you're asking about the broad spectrum of future events that may fall out from the vote on the plan. There branch cases for what could now happen with brexit are multitudinous.
– Drunk Cynic
11 hours ago
5
@DrunkCynic - I am asking if Parliament's decision involves (logically / legally) that Brexit is not going to happen or there are many other possibilities. Your comment suggests that the answer to my question is: no, this does not mean that Brexit process is automatically cancelled.
– Alexei
11 hours ago
1
1
I've voted to close this as off-topic because you're asking about the broad spectrum of future events that may fall out from the vote on the plan. There branch cases for what could now happen with brexit are multitudinous.
– Drunk Cynic
11 hours ago
I've voted to close this as off-topic because you're asking about the broad spectrum of future events that may fall out from the vote on the plan. There branch cases for what could now happen with brexit are multitudinous.
– Drunk Cynic
11 hours ago
5
5
@DrunkCynic - I am asking if Parliament's decision involves (logically / legally) that Brexit is not going to happen or there are many other possibilities. Your comment suggests that the answer to my question is: no, this does not mean that Brexit process is automatically cancelled.
– Alexei
11 hours ago
@DrunkCynic - I am asking if Parliament's decision involves (logically / legally) that Brexit is not going to happen or there are many other possibilities. Your comment suggests that the answer to my question is: no, this does not mean that Brexit process is automatically cancelled.
– Alexei
11 hours ago
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Parliament has already voted on Article 50 and Article 50 has already been invoked. If nothing else happens between now and March 29th, EU membership ends for the UK. That was the case whether this vote took place or not. So that's the simplest answer with what is known to factually and legally be in place at this time. Anything else borders on wild speculation.
answered 11 hours ago
ouflakouflak
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No, it does not. Under the European Union (Withdrawal) Act, 2018, the UK will still leave the EU on 29 March at 23:00 GMT. Only a further Act of Parliament to amend it will change this, and as of this writing, there is currently no Bill active in the Commons to do this.
answered 10 hours ago
Joe CJoe C
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It might be worth referring to the specific "meaningful vote" section of the act (section 13) as well.
– origimbo
10 hours ago
As far as I can see, Section 13 doesn't make any mention of "exit day". Which would therefore confirm that it doesn't change as a result of this vote.
– Joe C
9 hours ago
3
Indeed. Although it does guarantee there will be an open motion brought by a government minister within 21 days (actually on Monday 21st January [for Reasons]) onto which members of the house will attempt to hang all kinds of interesting amendments.
– origimbo
9 hours ago
Yes, though these potential amendments fall outside the scope of this question. They may become relevant to a similar question next week, though, depending on what happens then.
– Joe C
9 hours ago
add a comment |
Assuming a government can be formed after tomorrows' vote of no confidence or the the vote fails. Under the recent amendment controversially allowed by the speaker the prime minister will be required to go back to the house with a new plan or plans for consideration. with that said the PM may still try to continue with a version of the current arrangement.
The following options exist
- Brexit is delayed until a deal can be reached that parliament can agree on (or for as long as the EU will allow it if they will at all).
- No agreement will be reached and the UK will leave the EU on the 29th of march. Note this is currently the default position.
- Parliament will pass a bill to withdraw article 50 and the UK will reamain in the EU (IMO it seems like this might happen so that brexit can be retried with more proper understanding of what is possible etc)
- Parliament will eventually agree to the current deal (given the scale of the defeat this may be unlikely)
In order to reach one of the above there may well be a referendum either considering no deal brexit v the current deal or no deal brexit v the current deal v remain. There may also be a general election if the vote of no confidence is successful.
answered 11 hours ago
Steve SmithSteve Smith
1,640215
I believe it would still be possible, as another option that, there is another vote instead of Parliament deciding.
– Karlomanio
10 hours ago
1
There is a fifth option that somehow a whole new withdrawal is negotiated before 11pm (UK time) on the 29th and voted through by parliament. This is almost certainly cloudcuckooland, but it might just be conceivable for a government of national unity with different red lines than Mrs May's administration.
– origimbo
10 hours ago
2
@origimbo - Or Mrs May could simply prorogue (suspend) Parliament until March 30th, thus neatly dealing with any opposition. Unlikely to happen, but not beyond the realms of reality
– Valorum
9 hours ago
A delay is very unlikely as there will be elections to the European Parliament starting on 2019-05-23 and a delay of Brexit would complicate them tremendously.
– Martin Schröder
7 hours ago
add a comment |
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Parliament has already voted on Article 50 and Article 50 has already been invoked. If nothing else happens between now and March 29th, EU membership ends for the UK. That was the case whether this vote took place or not. So that's the simplest answer with what is known to factually and legally be in place at this time. Anything else borders on wild speculation.
answered 11 hours ago
ouflakouflak
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Parliament has already voted on Article 50 and Article 50 has already been invoked. If nothing else happens between now and March 29th, EU membership ends for the UK. That was the case whether this vote took place or not. So that's the simplest answer with what is known to factually and legally be in place at this time. Anything else borders on wild speculation.
answered 11 hours ago
ouflakouflak
47026
add a comment |
Parliament has already voted on Article 50 and Article 50 has already been invoked. If nothing else happens between now and March 29th, EU membership ends for the UK. That was the case whether this vote took place or not. So that's the simplest answer with what is known to factually and legally be in place at this time. Anything else borders on wild speculation.
answered 11 hours ago
ouflakouflak
47026
Parliament has already voted on Article 50 and Article 50 has already been invoked. If nothing else happens between now and March 29th, EU membership ends for the UK. That was the case whether this vote took place or not. So that's the simplest answer with what is known to factually and legally be in place at this time. Anything else borders on wild speculation.
answered 11 hours ago
ouflakouflak
47026
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answered 11 hours ago
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answered 11 hours ago
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No, it does not. Under the European Union (Withdrawal) Act, 2018, the UK will still leave the EU on 29 March at 23:00 GMT. Only a further Act of Parliament to amend it will change this, and as of this writing, there is currently no Bill active in the Commons to do this.
answered 10 hours ago
Joe CJoe C
1,369323
It might be worth referring to the specific "meaningful vote" section of the act (section 13) as well.
– origimbo
10 hours ago
As far as I can see, Section 13 doesn't make any mention of "exit day". Which would therefore confirm that it doesn't change as a result of this vote.
– Joe C
9 hours ago
3
Indeed. Although it does guarantee there will be an open motion brought by a government minister within 21 days (actually on Monday 21st January [for Reasons]) onto which members of the house will attempt to hang all kinds of interesting amendments.
– origimbo
9 hours ago
Yes, though these potential amendments fall outside the scope of this question. They may become relevant to a similar question next week, though, depending on what happens then.
– Joe C
9 hours ago
add a comment |
No, it does not. Under the European Union (Withdrawal) Act, 2018, the UK will still leave the EU on 29 March at 23:00 GMT. Only a further Act of Parliament to amend it will change this, and as of this writing, there is currently no Bill active in the Commons to do this.
answered 10 hours ago
Joe CJoe C
1,369323
It might be worth referring to the specific "meaningful vote" section of the act (section 13) as well.
– origimbo
10 hours ago
As far as I can see, Section 13 doesn't make any mention of "exit day". Which would therefore confirm that it doesn't change as a result of this vote.
– Joe C
9 hours ago
3
Indeed. Although it does guarantee there will be an open motion brought by a government minister within 21 days (actually on Monday 21st January [for Reasons]) onto which members of the house will attempt to hang all kinds of interesting amendments.
– origimbo
9 hours ago
Yes, though these potential amendments fall outside the scope of this question. They may become relevant to a similar question next week, though, depending on what happens then.
– Joe C
9 hours ago
add a comment |
No, it does not. Under the European Union (Withdrawal) Act, 2018, the UK will still leave the EU on 29 March at 23:00 GMT. Only a further Act of Parliament to amend it will change this, and as of this writing, there is currently no Bill active in the Commons to do this.
answered 10 hours ago
Joe CJoe C
1,369323
No, it does not. Under the European Union (Withdrawal) Act, 2018, the UK will still leave the EU on 29 March at 23:00 GMT. Only a further Act of Parliament to amend it will change this, and as of this writing, there is currently no Bill active in the Commons to do this.
answered 10 hours ago
Joe CJoe C
1,369323
answered 10 hours ago
Joe CJoe C
1,369323
answered 10 hours ago
Joe CJoe C
1,369323
answered 10 hours ago
Joe CJoe C
1,369323
1,369323
It might be worth referring to the specific "meaningful vote" section of the act (section 13) as well.
– origimbo
10 hours ago
As far as I can see, Section 13 doesn't make any mention of "exit day". Which would therefore confirm that it doesn't change as a result of this vote.
– Joe C
9 hours ago
3
Indeed. Although it does guarantee there will be an open motion brought by a government minister within 21 days (actually on Monday 21st January [for Reasons]) onto which members of the house will attempt to hang all kinds of interesting amendments.
– origimbo
9 hours ago
Yes, though these potential amendments fall outside the scope of this question. They may become relevant to a similar question next week, though, depending on what happens then.
– Joe C
9 hours ago
add a comment |
It might be worth referring to the specific "meaningful vote" section of the act (section 13) as well.
– origimbo
10 hours ago
As far as I can see, Section 13 doesn't make any mention of "exit day". Which would therefore confirm that it doesn't change as a result of this vote.
– Joe C
9 hours ago
3
Indeed. Although it does guarantee there will be an open motion brought by a government minister within 21 days (actually on Monday 21st January [for Reasons]) onto which members of the house will attempt to hang all kinds of interesting amendments.
– origimbo
9 hours ago
Yes, though these potential amendments fall outside the scope of this question. They may become relevant to a similar question next week, though, depending on what happens then.
– Joe C
9 hours ago
It might be worth referring to the specific "meaningful vote" section of the act (section 13) as well.
– origimbo
10 hours ago
It might be worth referring to the specific "meaningful vote" section of the act (section 13) as well.
– origimbo
10 hours ago
As far as I can see, Section 13 doesn't make any mention of "exit day". Which would therefore confirm that it doesn't change as a result of this vote.
– Joe C
9 hours ago
As far as I can see, Section 13 doesn't make any mention of "exit day". Which would therefore confirm that it doesn't change as a result of this vote.
– Joe C
9 hours ago
3
3
Indeed. Although it does guarantee there will be an open motion brought by a government minister within 21 days (actually on Monday 21st January [for Reasons]) onto which members of the house will attempt to hang all kinds of interesting amendments.
– origimbo
9 hours ago
Indeed. Although it does guarantee there will be an open motion brought by a government minister within 21 days (actually on Monday 21st January [for Reasons]) onto which members of the house will attempt to hang all kinds of interesting amendments.
– origimbo
9 hours ago
Yes, though these potential amendments fall outside the scope of this question. They may become relevant to a similar question next week, though, depending on what happens then.
– Joe C
9 hours ago
Yes, though these potential amendments fall outside the scope of this question. They may become relevant to a similar question next week, though, depending on what happens then.
– Joe C
9 hours ago
add a comment |
Assuming a government can be formed after tomorrows' vote of no confidence or the the vote fails. Under the recent amendment controversially allowed by the speaker the prime minister will be required to go back to the house with a new plan or plans for consideration. with that said the PM may still try to continue with a version of the current arrangement.
The following options exist
- Brexit is delayed until a deal can be reached that parliament can agree on (or for as long as the EU will allow it if they will at all).
- No agreement will be reached and the UK will leave the EU on the 29th of march. Note this is currently the default position.
- Parliament will pass a bill to withdraw article 50 and the UK will reamain in the EU (IMO it seems like this might happen so that brexit can be retried with more proper understanding of what is possible etc)
- Parliament will eventually agree to the current deal (given the scale of the defeat this may be unlikely)
In order to reach one of the above there may well be a referendum either considering no deal brexit v the current deal or no deal brexit v the current deal v remain. There may also be a general election if the vote of no confidence is successful.
answered 11 hours ago
Steve SmithSteve Smith
1,640215
I believe it would still be possible, as another option that, there is another vote instead of Parliament deciding.
– Karlomanio
10 hours ago
1
There is a fifth option that somehow a whole new withdrawal is negotiated before 11pm (UK time) on the 29th and voted through by parliament. This is almost certainly cloudcuckooland, but it might just be conceivable for a government of national unity with different red lines than Mrs May's administration.
– origimbo
10 hours ago
2
@origimbo - Or Mrs May could simply prorogue (suspend) Parliament until March 30th, thus neatly dealing with any opposition. Unlikely to happen, but not beyond the realms of reality
– Valorum
9 hours ago
A delay is very unlikely as there will be elections to the European Parliament starting on 2019-05-23 and a delay of Brexit would complicate them tremendously.
– Martin Schröder
7 hours ago
add a comment |
Assuming a government can be formed after tomorrows' vote of no confidence or the the vote fails. Under the recent amendment controversially allowed by the speaker the prime minister will be required to go back to the house with a new plan or plans for consideration. with that said the PM may still try to continue with a version of the current arrangement.
The following options exist
- Brexit is delayed until a deal can be reached that parliament can agree on (or for as long as the EU will allow it if they will at all).
- No agreement will be reached and the UK will leave the EU on the 29th of march. Note this is currently the default position.
- Parliament will pass a bill to withdraw article 50 and the UK will reamain in the EU (IMO it seems like this might happen so that brexit can be retried with more proper understanding of what is possible etc)
- Parliament will eventually agree to the current deal (given the scale of the defeat this may be unlikely)
In order to reach one of the above there may well be a referendum either considering no deal brexit v the current deal or no deal brexit v the current deal v remain. There may also be a general election if the vote of no confidence is successful.
answered 11 hours ago
Steve SmithSteve Smith
1,640215
I believe it would still be possible, as another option that, there is another vote instead of Parliament deciding.
– Karlomanio
10 hours ago
1
There is a fifth option that somehow a whole new withdrawal is negotiated before 11pm (UK time) on the 29th and voted through by parliament. This is almost certainly cloudcuckooland, but it might just be conceivable for a government of national unity with different red lines than Mrs May's administration.
– origimbo
10 hours ago
2
@origimbo - Or Mrs May could simply prorogue (suspend) Parliament until March 30th, thus neatly dealing with any opposition. Unlikely to happen, but not beyond the realms of reality
– Valorum
9 hours ago
A delay is very unlikely as there will be elections to the European Parliament starting on 2019-05-23 and a delay of Brexit would complicate them tremendously.
– Martin Schröder
7 hours ago
add a comment |
Assuming a government can be formed after tomorrows' vote of no confidence or the the vote fails. Under the recent amendment controversially allowed by the speaker the prime minister will be required to go back to the house with a new plan or plans for consideration. with that said the PM may still try to continue with a version of the current arrangement.
The following options exist
- Brexit is delayed until a deal can be reached that parliament can agree on (or for as long as the EU will allow it if they will at all).
- No agreement will be reached and the UK will leave the EU on the 29th of march. Note this is currently the default position.
- Parliament will pass a bill to withdraw article 50 and the UK will reamain in the EU (IMO it seems like this might happen so that brexit can be retried with more proper understanding of what is possible etc)
- Parliament will eventually agree to the current deal (given the scale of the defeat this may be unlikely)
In order to reach one of the above there may well be a referendum either considering no deal brexit v the current deal or no deal brexit v the current deal v remain. There may also be a general election if the vote of no confidence is successful.
answered 11 hours ago
Steve SmithSteve Smith
1,640215
Assuming a government can be formed after tomorrows' vote of no confidence or the the vote fails. Under the recent amendment controversially allowed by the speaker the prime minister will be required to go back to the house with a new plan or plans for consideration. with that said the PM may still try to continue with a version of the current arrangement.
The following options exist
- Brexit is delayed until a deal can be reached that parliament can agree on (or for as long as the EU will allow it if they will at all).
- No agreement will be reached and the UK will leave the EU on the 29th of march. Note this is currently the default position.
- Parliament will pass a bill to withdraw article 50 and the UK will reamain in the EU (IMO it seems like this might happen so that brexit can be retried with more proper understanding of what is possible etc)
- Parliament will eventually agree to the current deal (given the scale of the defeat this may be unlikely)
In order to reach one of the above there may well be a referendum either considering no deal brexit v the current deal or no deal brexit v the current deal v remain. There may also be a general election if the vote of no confidence is successful.
answered 11 hours ago
Steve SmithSteve Smith
1,640215
answered 11 hours ago
Steve SmithSteve Smith
1,640215
answered 11 hours ago
Steve SmithSteve Smith
1,640215
answered 11 hours ago
Steve SmithSteve Smith
1,640215
1,640215
I believe it would still be possible, as another option that, there is another vote instead of Parliament deciding.
– Karlomanio
10 hours ago
1
There is a fifth option that somehow a whole new withdrawal is negotiated before 11pm (UK time) on the 29th and voted through by parliament. This is almost certainly cloudcuckooland, but it might just be conceivable for a government of national unity with different red lines than Mrs May's administration.
– origimbo
10 hours ago
2
@origimbo - Or Mrs May could simply prorogue (suspend) Parliament until March 30th, thus neatly dealing with any opposition. Unlikely to happen, but not beyond the realms of reality
– Valorum
9 hours ago
A delay is very unlikely as there will be elections to the European Parliament starting on 2019-05-23 and a delay of Brexit would complicate them tremendously.
– Martin Schröder
7 hours ago
add a comment |
I believe it would still be possible, as another option that, there is another vote instead of Parliament deciding.
– Karlomanio
10 hours ago
1
There is a fifth option that somehow a whole new withdrawal is negotiated before 11pm (UK time) on the 29th and voted through by parliament. This is almost certainly cloudcuckooland, but it might just be conceivable for a government of national unity with different red lines than Mrs May's administration.
– origimbo
10 hours ago
2
@origimbo - Or Mrs May could simply prorogue (suspend) Parliament until March 30th, thus neatly dealing with any opposition. Unlikely to happen, but not beyond the realms of reality
– Valorum
9 hours ago
A delay is very unlikely as there will be elections to the European Parliament starting on 2019-05-23 and a delay of Brexit would complicate them tremendously.
– Martin Schröder
7 hours ago
I believe it would still be possible, as another option that, there is another vote instead of Parliament deciding.
– Karlomanio
10 hours ago
I believe it would still be possible, as another option that, there is another vote instead of Parliament deciding.
– Karlomanio
10 hours ago
1
1
There is a fifth option that somehow a whole new withdrawal is negotiated before 11pm (UK time) on the 29th and voted through by parliament. This is almost certainly cloudcuckooland, but it might just be conceivable for a government of national unity with different red lines than Mrs May's administration.
– origimbo
10 hours ago
There is a fifth option that somehow a whole new withdrawal is negotiated before 11pm (UK time) on the 29th and voted through by parliament. This is almost certainly cloudcuckooland, but it might just be conceivable for a government of national unity with different red lines than Mrs May's administration.
– origimbo
10 hours ago
2
2
@origimbo - Or Mrs May could simply prorogue (suspend) Parliament until March 30th, thus neatly dealing with any opposition. Unlikely to happen, but not beyond the realms of reality
– Valorum
9 hours ago
@origimbo - Or Mrs May could simply prorogue (suspend) Parliament until March 30th, thus neatly dealing with any opposition. Unlikely to happen, but not beyond the realms of reality
– Valorum
9 hours ago
A delay is very unlikely as there will be elections to the European Parliament starting on 2019-05-23 and a delay of Brexit would complicate them tremendously.
– Martin Schröder
7 hours ago
A delay is very unlikely as there will be elections to the European Parliament starting on 2019-05-23 and a delay of Brexit would complicate them tremendously.
– Martin Schröder
7 hours ago
add a comment |
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I've voted to close this as off-topic because you're asking about the broad spectrum of future events that may fall out from the vote on the plan. There branch cases for what could now happen with brexit are multitudinous.
– Drunk Cynic
11 hours ago
5
@DrunkCynic - I am asking if Parliament's decision involves (logically / legally) that Brexit is not going to happen or there are many other possibilities. Your comment suggests that the answer to my question is: no, this does not mean that Brexit process is automatically cancelled.
– Alexei
11 hours ago