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Hitler's ideal Aryan / Nordic appearance was: tall, blond, blue eyed, broad shouldered.



Hitler's own appearance was: short, dark haired, brown eyed, slight and slumpy shoulders.



And most of the Nazi leadership came up pretty short on Aryan / Nordic features. Did they ever address this? Did anyone else ever bring it up or point a finger about it?










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    Hitler’s eyes were blue.

    – Laurel
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    Don't expect consistency, when it comes to Nazis. There was an exchange between the film-star Zarah Leander and Joseph Goebbels, when Goebbels asked rhetorically whether Zarah was a jewish name, at which Zarah Leander replied with a rhetorical question herself, whether that also applied to the name Joseph.

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    Not to mention blond hair and/or blue eyes are more common in Slavic countries than in Germany, but they considered slavic people as sub-human.

    – Bregalad
    15 hours ago






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    Should be mentioned that Hitler was actually not short, he appears of average height among men of his era. He was not athletic either, but at that time physical exercise was not a fad as it is today. His pictures from WW1 tell a story of an average looking German (Austrian) : encyclopedia.ushmm.org/images/large/…

    – rs.29
    7 hours ago






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    There's also the fact that Hitler was of European descent. That places him well away from being anywhere near an exact opposite.

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Hitler's ideal Aryan / Nordic appearance was: tall, blond, blue eyed, broad shouldered.



Hitler's own appearance was: short, dark haired, brown eyed, slight and slumpy shoulders.



And most of the Nazi leadership came up pretty short on Aryan / Nordic features. Did they ever address this? Did anyone else ever bring it up or point a finger about it?










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    Hitler’s eyes were blue.

    – Laurel
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    Don't expect consistency, when it comes to Nazis. There was an exchange between the film-star Zarah Leander and Joseph Goebbels, when Goebbels asked rhetorically whether Zarah was a jewish name, at which Zarah Leander replied with a rhetorical question herself, whether that also applied to the name Joseph.

    – Dohn Joe
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    Not to mention blond hair and/or blue eyes are more common in Slavic countries than in Germany, but they considered slavic people as sub-human.

    – Bregalad
    15 hours ago






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    Should be mentioned that Hitler was actually not short, he appears of average height among men of his era. He was not athletic either, but at that time physical exercise was not a fad as it is today. His pictures from WW1 tell a story of an average looking German (Austrian) : encyclopedia.ushmm.org/images/large/…

    – rs.29
    7 hours ago






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    There's also the fact that Hitler was of European descent. That places him well away from being anywhere near an exact opposite.

    – EvilSnack
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Hitler's ideal Aryan / Nordic appearance was: tall, blond, blue eyed, broad shouldered.



Hitler's own appearance was: short, dark haired, brown eyed, slight and slumpy shoulders.



And most of the Nazi leadership came up pretty short on Aryan / Nordic features. Did they ever address this? Did anyone else ever bring it up or point a finger about it?










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Hitler's own appearance was: short, dark haired, brown eyed, slight and slumpy shoulders.



And most of the Nazi leadership came up pretty short on Aryan / Nordic features. Did they ever address this? Did anyone else ever bring it up or point a finger about it?







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  • 8





    Hitler’s eyes were blue.

    – Laurel
    17 hours ago






  • 19





    Don't expect consistency, when it comes to Nazis. There was an exchange between the film-star Zarah Leander and Joseph Goebbels, when Goebbels asked rhetorically whether Zarah was a jewish name, at which Zarah Leander replied with a rhetorical question herself, whether that also applied to the name Joseph.

    – Dohn Joe
    17 hours ago








  • 7





    Not to mention blond hair and/or blue eyes are more common in Slavic countries than in Germany, but they considered slavic people as sub-human.

    – Bregalad
    15 hours ago






  • 3





    Should be mentioned that Hitler was actually not short, he appears of average height among men of his era. He was not athletic either, but at that time physical exercise was not a fad as it is today. His pictures from WW1 tell a story of an average looking German (Austrian) : encyclopedia.ushmm.org/images/large/…

    – rs.29
    7 hours ago






  • 1





    There's also the fact that Hitler was of European descent. That places him well away from being anywhere near an exact opposite.

    – EvilSnack
    6 hours ago














  • 8





    Hitler’s eyes were blue.

    – Laurel
    17 hours ago






  • 19





    Don't expect consistency, when it comes to Nazis. There was an exchange between the film-star Zarah Leander and Joseph Goebbels, when Goebbels asked rhetorically whether Zarah was a jewish name, at which Zarah Leander replied with a rhetorical question herself, whether that also applied to the name Joseph.

    – Dohn Joe
    17 hours ago








  • 7





    Not to mention blond hair and/or blue eyes are more common in Slavic countries than in Germany, but they considered slavic people as sub-human.

    – Bregalad
    15 hours ago






  • 3





    Should be mentioned that Hitler was actually not short, he appears of average height among men of his era. He was not athletic either, but at that time physical exercise was not a fad as it is today. His pictures from WW1 tell a story of an average looking German (Austrian) : encyclopedia.ushmm.org/images/large/…

    – rs.29
    7 hours ago






  • 1





    There's also the fact that Hitler was of European descent. That places him well away from being anywhere near an exact opposite.

    – EvilSnack
    6 hours ago








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Hitler’s eyes were blue.

– Laurel
17 hours ago





Hitler’s eyes were blue.

– Laurel
17 hours ago




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Don't expect consistency, when it comes to Nazis. There was an exchange between the film-star Zarah Leander and Joseph Goebbels, when Goebbels asked rhetorically whether Zarah was a jewish name, at which Zarah Leander replied with a rhetorical question herself, whether that also applied to the name Joseph.

– Dohn Joe
17 hours ago







Don't expect consistency, when it comes to Nazis. There was an exchange between the film-star Zarah Leander and Joseph Goebbels, when Goebbels asked rhetorically whether Zarah was a jewish name, at which Zarah Leander replied with a rhetorical question herself, whether that also applied to the name Joseph.

– Dohn Joe
17 hours ago






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Not to mention blond hair and/or blue eyes are more common in Slavic countries than in Germany, but they considered slavic people as sub-human.

– Bregalad
15 hours ago





Not to mention blond hair and/or blue eyes are more common in Slavic countries than in Germany, but they considered slavic people as sub-human.

– Bregalad
15 hours ago




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Should be mentioned that Hitler was actually not short, he appears of average height among men of his era. He was not athletic either, but at that time physical exercise was not a fad as it is today. His pictures from WW1 tell a story of an average looking German (Austrian) : encyclopedia.ushmm.org/images/large/…

– rs.29
7 hours ago





Should be mentioned that Hitler was actually not short, he appears of average height among men of his era. He was not athletic either, but at that time physical exercise was not a fad as it is today. His pictures from WW1 tell a story of an average looking German (Austrian) : encyclopedia.ushmm.org/images/large/…

– rs.29
7 hours ago




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There's also the fact that Hitler was of European descent. That places him well away from being anywhere near an exact opposite.

– EvilSnack
6 hours ago





There's also the fact that Hitler was of European descent. That places him well away from being anywhere near an exact opposite.

– EvilSnack
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For once that was an ideal. And a goal. To be restored. By racial breeding and struggle. And it was readily apparent to really everyone that not every German was blonde.



That said, Hitler himself was not a "perfect example", but he also wasn't the complete opposite of that concept either, as he had blue eyes:




enter image description here




And was also with 175cm quite average in height:




enter image description hereenter image description here
left: 1935, ltr, Werner von Fritsch, Werner von Blomberg, that man. (via src) / Right: Hochverratsprozeß gegen die Teilnehmer am Münchener Putsch vom 9. Nov. 1923; München 1924




Further more the equation Germans=Aryans is not what was proclaimed to be the case in the first place:




To which race do Europe’s peoples belong?



The peoples of Europe do not belong to a particular race, but are rather a racial mixture. Our German people is comprised primarily of six races.



And what are they?



The Nordic, the Pfalzish (fälische), the Western (westliche) the East Baltic (ostbaltische), the Ostic (ostische), and the Dinarish (dinarische) races.



The German people is, along with the English, Danish, Norwegian, and Swedish, the most racially pure of the European peoples. With regards to the purity of language, the Scandinavian peoples are in first place.



Werner May, Deutscher National-Katechismus 2nd edition (Breslau: Verlag von Heinrich Handel, 1934), pp. 22-26. (Quoted here: The German National Catechism)




And within this 'system' Hitler may be grouped into x% Nordic, y% Dinaric or Ostisch (alpine) and some other colours. That is Southern branch Aryan mainly, not pure, not ideal, but OK (p121). And bein a Führer should clearly indicate that the Nordic component is, well, "dominant"?



And of course, if 'needed', that system was flexible enough to dismiss the 'science' altogether and allow the adage being ascribed to Göring: "Who is Aryan/Jew is what I decide!"




Q Did they ever address this?




Sometimes they did.
During his table-talks Hitler mentioned that for example among ancient Germans it was known that already among the Goths they were known to have non-blondes as well.



The man said this:




Wir alle leiden am Siechtum des gemischten, verdorbenen Blutes. Wie können wir uns reinigen und sühnen? … Das ewige Leben, das der Gral verleiht, gilt nur den wirklich Reinen, Adligen!" (src)

(Translation: We all suffer from the infirmity of mixed, corrupt blood. How can we purify and atone for ourselves? ... The eternal life which the Grail bestows is only for the truly pure, nobles!




The director of the "Institute for Knowledge of the Human Kind" (his own private invention) wrote like a theoretical mathematician:




Den Gedanken, daß Hitler ein Ausländer ist und von der gegnerischen Presse jahrelang als Ausländer beschrieben und in gemeinst verfälschten Bildern gezeigt wurde, möchte ich somit restlos beseitigt haben. Hitler ist blond, hat rosige Haut, ist also rein (arisch-) germanischer Natur, und alle anderen Verbreitungen über sein Aussehen und seine Persönlichkeit hat die schwarze und rote Presse in die Volksseele gesät, was ich hiermit
richtiggestellt haben möchte.




(Translation:

The idea that Hitler was a foreigner and that for years the opposing press had described him as a foreigner and shown him in meanly falsified pictures, I would like to have thus completely eliminated. Hitler is blonde, has rosy skin, is thus pure (Aryan) Germanic in nature, and all other propaganda about his appearance and personality has been sown into the soul of the people by the black and red press, which I would like to have corrected here.




Tobias Ronge: "Das Bild des Herrschers in Malerei und Grafik des Nationalsozialismus: eine Untersuchung zur Ikonografie von Führer- und Funktionärsbildern im Dritten Reich", LIT: Münster, 2010, p 242.




See, that was easy.

Problem solved by scientist.



More general information on the 'exact' definitions (they are all incongruent and convoluted, with competing theories that cannot be reconciled) a nazi centric starting point would be Hans F. K. Günther who wrote Rassenkunde des deutschen Volkes.






Q Did anyone else ever bring it up or point a finger about it?




Others did that offensively.



A well known political whisper joke during the 1930s was




"Wie sieht ein echter Arier aus? –– Blond wie Hitler, groß wie Goebbels und schlank wie Göring und keusch wie Röhm!




What does the ideal Aryan look like? –– Blond like Hitler, tall like Goebbels, slim like Göring and chaste like Röhm.



This German joke was then picked up for propaganda by "others":



enter image description here (src)



enter image description here (src)



Found by @njuffa:




A slightly different version of the joke was used in the American short film "Don't Be A Sucker" from 1943






Tiny commentary: it seems that quite some care has to be taken in balancing the description of internal discrepancies and logical pitfalls of racial theories versus using this information to just say that "Hitler was no Aryan himself". The latter is a captive of these theories and somewhat resembling an accusation towards nazis that 'they weren't racist enough'.






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    +1 for the joke part. I was thinking about that too when reading the question.

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    I think the definition of blonde is also more complicated than just yellow hair. Dark blonde is a thing but I'm not sure his hair qualified as that either. At some point I recall seeing scales of hair and eye color at some point.

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    My daughter lives in Germany, and is considered to be blonde; in the US it was just light brown, and blonder in the summer. So blonde, in the European sense, runs a range from flaxen to light brown. It does not mean "bleached blond" or "yellow blond", which are mostly unnatural.

    – Peter Diehr
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  • My hair is the color of a prairie hay bale, and two of my three kids have hair lighter than mine. Their mom chooses to dye her hair from a dark blonde to a strawberry blonde, but it's still fairly yellow underneath. I did a quick over-the-cube-wall survey of men's hair around me (women's hair might be dyed, men's hair probably isn't dyed at all, and if it is, dyed back to its youthful color), and 3/25 are fairly yellow. I know these things vary by geography, but it's not that uncommon.

    – Alex H.
    5 hours ago











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For once that was an ideal. And a goal. To be restored. By racial breeding and struggle. And it was readily apparent to really everyone that not every German was blonde.



That said, Hitler himself was not a "perfect example", but he also wasn't the complete opposite of that concept either, as he had blue eyes:




enter image description here




And was also with 175cm quite average in height:




enter image description hereenter image description here
left: 1935, ltr, Werner von Fritsch, Werner von Blomberg, that man. (via src) / Right: Hochverratsprozeß gegen die Teilnehmer am Münchener Putsch vom 9. Nov. 1923; München 1924




Further more the equation Germans=Aryans is not what was proclaimed to be the case in the first place:




To which race do Europe’s peoples belong?



The peoples of Europe do not belong to a particular race, but are rather a racial mixture. Our German people is comprised primarily of six races.



And what are they?



The Nordic, the Pfalzish (fälische), the Western (westliche) the East Baltic (ostbaltische), the Ostic (ostische), and the Dinarish (dinarische) races.



The German people is, along with the English, Danish, Norwegian, and Swedish, the most racially pure of the European peoples. With regards to the purity of language, the Scandinavian peoples are in first place.



Werner May, Deutscher National-Katechismus 2nd edition (Breslau: Verlag von Heinrich Handel, 1934), pp. 22-26. (Quoted here: The German National Catechism)




And within this 'system' Hitler may be grouped into x% Nordic, y% Dinaric or Ostisch (alpine) and some other colours. That is Southern branch Aryan mainly, not pure, not ideal, but OK (p121). And bein a Führer should clearly indicate that the Nordic component is, well, "dominant"?



And of course, if 'needed', that system was flexible enough to dismiss the 'science' altogether and allow the adage being ascribed to Göring: "Who is Aryan/Jew is what I decide!"




Q Did they ever address this?




Sometimes they did.
During his table-talks Hitler mentioned that for example among ancient Germans it was known that already among the Goths they were known to have non-blondes as well.



The man said this:




Wir alle leiden am Siechtum des gemischten, verdorbenen Blutes. Wie können wir uns reinigen und sühnen? … Das ewige Leben, das der Gral verleiht, gilt nur den wirklich Reinen, Adligen!" (src)

(Translation: We all suffer from the infirmity of mixed, corrupt blood. How can we purify and atone for ourselves? ... The eternal life which the Grail bestows is only for the truly pure, nobles!




The director of the "Institute for Knowledge of the Human Kind" (his own private invention) wrote like a theoretical mathematician:




Den Gedanken, daß Hitler ein Ausländer ist und von der gegnerischen Presse jahrelang als Ausländer beschrieben und in gemeinst verfälschten Bildern gezeigt wurde, möchte ich somit restlos beseitigt haben. Hitler ist blond, hat rosige Haut, ist also rein (arisch-) germanischer Natur, und alle anderen Verbreitungen über sein Aussehen und seine Persönlichkeit hat die schwarze und rote Presse in die Volksseele gesät, was ich hiermit
richtiggestellt haben möchte.




(Translation:

The idea that Hitler was a foreigner and that for years the opposing press had described him as a foreigner and shown him in meanly falsified pictures, I would like to have thus completely eliminated. Hitler is blonde, has rosy skin, is thus pure (Aryan) Germanic in nature, and all other propaganda about his appearance and personality has been sown into the soul of the people by the black and red press, which I would like to have corrected here.




Tobias Ronge: "Das Bild des Herrschers in Malerei und Grafik des Nationalsozialismus: eine Untersuchung zur Ikonografie von Führer- und Funktionärsbildern im Dritten Reich", LIT: Münster, 2010, p 242.




See, that was easy.

Problem solved by scientist.



More general information on the 'exact' definitions (they are all incongruent and convoluted, with competing theories that cannot be reconciled) a nazi centric starting point would be Hans F. K. Günther who wrote Rassenkunde des deutschen Volkes.






Q Did anyone else ever bring it up or point a finger about it?




Others did that offensively.



A well known political whisper joke during the 1930s was




"Wie sieht ein echter Arier aus? –– Blond wie Hitler, groß wie Goebbels und schlank wie Göring und keusch wie Röhm!




What does the ideal Aryan look like? –– Blond like Hitler, tall like Goebbels, slim like Göring and chaste like Röhm.



This German joke was then picked up for propaganda by "others":



enter image description here (src)



enter image description here (src)



Found by @njuffa:




A slightly different version of the joke was used in the American short film "Don't Be A Sucker" from 1943






Tiny commentary: it seems that quite some care has to be taken in balancing the description of internal discrepancies and logical pitfalls of racial theories versus using this information to just say that "Hitler was no Aryan himself". The latter is a captive of these theories and somewhat resembling an accusation towards nazis that 'they weren't racist enough'.






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    +1 for the joke part. I was thinking about that too when reading the question.

    – ed.hank
    11 hours ago






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    I think the definition of blonde is also more complicated than just yellow hair. Dark blonde is a thing but I'm not sure his hair qualified as that either. At some point I recall seeing scales of hair and eye color at some point.

    – JimmyJames
    9 hours ago






  • 3





    My daughter lives in Germany, and is considered to be blonde; in the US it was just light brown, and blonder in the summer. So blonde, in the European sense, runs a range from flaxen to light brown. It does not mean "bleached blond" or "yellow blond", which are mostly unnatural.

    – Peter Diehr
    6 hours ago











  • My hair is the color of a prairie hay bale, and two of my three kids have hair lighter than mine. Their mom chooses to dye her hair from a dark blonde to a strawberry blonde, but it's still fairly yellow underneath. I did a quick over-the-cube-wall survey of men's hair around me (women's hair might be dyed, men's hair probably isn't dyed at all, and if it is, dyed back to its youthful color), and 3/25 are fairly yellow. I know these things vary by geography, but it's not that uncommon.

    – Alex H.
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For once that was an ideal. And a goal. To be restored. By racial breeding and struggle. And it was readily apparent to really everyone that not every German was blonde.



That said, Hitler himself was not a "perfect example", but he also wasn't the complete opposite of that concept either, as he had blue eyes:




enter image description here




And was also with 175cm quite average in height:




enter image description hereenter image description here
left: 1935, ltr, Werner von Fritsch, Werner von Blomberg, that man. (via src) / Right: Hochverratsprozeß gegen die Teilnehmer am Münchener Putsch vom 9. Nov. 1923; München 1924




Further more the equation Germans=Aryans is not what was proclaimed to be the case in the first place:




To which race do Europe’s peoples belong?



The peoples of Europe do not belong to a particular race, but are rather a racial mixture. Our German people is comprised primarily of six races.



And what are they?



The Nordic, the Pfalzish (fälische), the Western (westliche) the East Baltic (ostbaltische), the Ostic (ostische), and the Dinarish (dinarische) races.



The German people is, along with the English, Danish, Norwegian, and Swedish, the most racially pure of the European peoples. With regards to the purity of language, the Scandinavian peoples are in first place.



Werner May, Deutscher National-Katechismus 2nd edition (Breslau: Verlag von Heinrich Handel, 1934), pp. 22-26. (Quoted here: The German National Catechism)




And within this 'system' Hitler may be grouped into x% Nordic, y% Dinaric or Ostisch (alpine) and some other colours. That is Southern branch Aryan mainly, not pure, not ideal, but OK (p121). And bein a Führer should clearly indicate that the Nordic component is, well, "dominant"?



And of course, if 'needed', that system was flexible enough to dismiss the 'science' altogether and allow the adage being ascribed to Göring: "Who is Aryan/Jew is what I decide!"




Q Did they ever address this?




Sometimes they did.
During his table-talks Hitler mentioned that for example among ancient Germans it was known that already among the Goths they were known to have non-blondes as well.



The man said this:




Wir alle leiden am Siechtum des gemischten, verdorbenen Blutes. Wie können wir uns reinigen und sühnen? … Das ewige Leben, das der Gral verleiht, gilt nur den wirklich Reinen, Adligen!" (src)

(Translation: We all suffer from the infirmity of mixed, corrupt blood. How can we purify and atone for ourselves? ... The eternal life which the Grail bestows is only for the truly pure, nobles!




The director of the "Institute for Knowledge of the Human Kind" (his own private invention) wrote like a theoretical mathematician:




Den Gedanken, daß Hitler ein Ausländer ist und von der gegnerischen Presse jahrelang als Ausländer beschrieben und in gemeinst verfälschten Bildern gezeigt wurde, möchte ich somit restlos beseitigt haben. Hitler ist blond, hat rosige Haut, ist also rein (arisch-) germanischer Natur, und alle anderen Verbreitungen über sein Aussehen und seine Persönlichkeit hat die schwarze und rote Presse in die Volksseele gesät, was ich hiermit
richtiggestellt haben möchte.




(Translation:

The idea that Hitler was a foreigner and that for years the opposing press had described him as a foreigner and shown him in meanly falsified pictures, I would like to have thus completely eliminated. Hitler is blonde, has rosy skin, is thus pure (Aryan) Germanic in nature, and all other propaganda about his appearance and personality has been sown into the soul of the people by the black and red press, which I would like to have corrected here.




Tobias Ronge: "Das Bild des Herrschers in Malerei und Grafik des Nationalsozialismus: eine Untersuchung zur Ikonografie von Führer- und Funktionärsbildern im Dritten Reich", LIT: Münster, 2010, p 242.




See, that was easy.

Problem solved by scientist.



More general information on the 'exact' definitions (they are all incongruent and convoluted, with competing theories that cannot be reconciled) a nazi centric starting point would be Hans F. K. Günther who wrote Rassenkunde des deutschen Volkes.






Q Did anyone else ever bring it up or point a finger about it?




Others did that offensively.



A well known political whisper joke during the 1930s was




"Wie sieht ein echter Arier aus? –– Blond wie Hitler, groß wie Goebbels und schlank wie Göring und keusch wie Röhm!




What does the ideal Aryan look like? –– Blond like Hitler, tall like Goebbels, slim like Göring and chaste like Röhm.



This German joke was then picked up for propaganda by "others":



enter image description here (src)



enter image description here (src)



Found by @njuffa:




A slightly different version of the joke was used in the American short film "Don't Be A Sucker" from 1943






Tiny commentary: it seems that quite some care has to be taken in balancing the description of internal discrepancies and logical pitfalls of racial theories versus using this information to just say that "Hitler was no Aryan himself". The latter is a captive of these theories and somewhat resembling an accusation towards nazis that 'they weren't racist enough'.






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    +1 for the joke part. I was thinking about that too when reading the question.

    – ed.hank
    11 hours ago






  • 1





    I think the definition of blonde is also more complicated than just yellow hair. Dark blonde is a thing but I'm not sure his hair qualified as that either. At some point I recall seeing scales of hair and eye color at some point.

    – JimmyJames
    9 hours ago






  • 3





    My daughter lives in Germany, and is considered to be blonde; in the US it was just light brown, and blonder in the summer. So blonde, in the European sense, runs a range from flaxen to light brown. It does not mean "bleached blond" or "yellow blond", which are mostly unnatural.

    – Peter Diehr
    6 hours ago











  • My hair is the color of a prairie hay bale, and two of my three kids have hair lighter than mine. Their mom chooses to dye her hair from a dark blonde to a strawberry blonde, but it's still fairly yellow underneath. I did a quick over-the-cube-wall survey of men's hair around me (women's hair might be dyed, men's hair probably isn't dyed at all, and if it is, dyed back to its youthful color), and 3/25 are fairly yellow. I know these things vary by geography, but it's not that uncommon.

    – Alex H.
    5 hours ago














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For once that was an ideal. And a goal. To be restored. By racial breeding and struggle. And it was readily apparent to really everyone that not every German was blonde.



That said, Hitler himself was not a "perfect example", but he also wasn't the complete opposite of that concept either, as he had blue eyes:




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And was also with 175cm quite average in height:




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left: 1935, ltr, Werner von Fritsch, Werner von Blomberg, that man. (via src) / Right: Hochverratsprozeß gegen die Teilnehmer am Münchener Putsch vom 9. Nov. 1923; München 1924




Further more the equation Germans=Aryans is not what was proclaimed to be the case in the first place:




To which race do Europe’s peoples belong?



The peoples of Europe do not belong to a particular race, but are rather a racial mixture. Our German people is comprised primarily of six races.



And what are they?



The Nordic, the Pfalzish (fälische), the Western (westliche) the East Baltic (ostbaltische), the Ostic (ostische), and the Dinarish (dinarische) races.



The German people is, along with the English, Danish, Norwegian, and Swedish, the most racially pure of the European peoples. With regards to the purity of language, the Scandinavian peoples are in first place.



Werner May, Deutscher National-Katechismus 2nd edition (Breslau: Verlag von Heinrich Handel, 1934), pp. 22-26. (Quoted here: The German National Catechism)




And within this 'system' Hitler may be grouped into x% Nordic, y% Dinaric or Ostisch (alpine) and some other colours. That is Southern branch Aryan mainly, not pure, not ideal, but OK (p121). And bein a Führer should clearly indicate that the Nordic component is, well, "dominant"?



And of course, if 'needed', that system was flexible enough to dismiss the 'science' altogether and allow the adage being ascribed to Göring: "Who is Aryan/Jew is what I decide!"




Q Did they ever address this?




Sometimes they did.
During his table-talks Hitler mentioned that for example among ancient Germans it was known that already among the Goths they were known to have non-blondes as well.



The man said this:




Wir alle leiden am Siechtum des gemischten, verdorbenen Blutes. Wie können wir uns reinigen und sühnen? … Das ewige Leben, das der Gral verleiht, gilt nur den wirklich Reinen, Adligen!" (src)

(Translation: We all suffer from the infirmity of mixed, corrupt blood. How can we purify and atone for ourselves? ... The eternal life which the Grail bestows is only for the truly pure, nobles!




The director of the "Institute for Knowledge of the Human Kind" (his own private invention) wrote like a theoretical mathematician:




Den Gedanken, daß Hitler ein Ausländer ist und von der gegnerischen Presse jahrelang als Ausländer beschrieben und in gemeinst verfälschten Bildern gezeigt wurde, möchte ich somit restlos beseitigt haben. Hitler ist blond, hat rosige Haut, ist also rein (arisch-) germanischer Natur, und alle anderen Verbreitungen über sein Aussehen und seine Persönlichkeit hat die schwarze und rote Presse in die Volksseele gesät, was ich hiermit
richtiggestellt haben möchte.




(Translation:

The idea that Hitler was a foreigner and that for years the opposing press had described him as a foreigner and shown him in meanly falsified pictures, I would like to have thus completely eliminated. Hitler is blonde, has rosy skin, is thus pure (Aryan) Germanic in nature, and all other propaganda about his appearance and personality has been sown into the soul of the people by the black and red press, which I would like to have corrected here.




Tobias Ronge: "Das Bild des Herrschers in Malerei und Grafik des Nationalsozialismus: eine Untersuchung zur Ikonografie von Führer- und Funktionärsbildern im Dritten Reich", LIT: Münster, 2010, p 242.




See, that was easy.

Problem solved by scientist.



More general information on the 'exact' definitions (they are all incongruent and convoluted, with competing theories that cannot be reconciled) a nazi centric starting point would be Hans F. K. Günther who wrote Rassenkunde des deutschen Volkes.






Q Did anyone else ever bring it up or point a finger about it?




Others did that offensively.



A well known political whisper joke during the 1930s was




"Wie sieht ein echter Arier aus? –– Blond wie Hitler, groß wie Goebbels und schlank wie Göring und keusch wie Röhm!




What does the ideal Aryan look like? –– Blond like Hitler, tall like Goebbels, slim like Göring and chaste like Röhm.



This German joke was then picked up for propaganda by "others":



enter image description here (src)



enter image description here (src)



Found by @njuffa:




A slightly different version of the joke was used in the American short film "Don't Be A Sucker" from 1943






Tiny commentary: it seems that quite some care has to be taken in balancing the description of internal discrepancies and logical pitfalls of racial theories versus using this information to just say that "Hitler was no Aryan himself". The latter is a captive of these theories and somewhat resembling an accusation towards nazis that 'they weren't racist enough'.






share|improve this answer















For once that was an ideal. And a goal. To be restored. By racial breeding and struggle. And it was readily apparent to really everyone that not every German was blonde.



That said, Hitler himself was not a "perfect example", but he also wasn't the complete opposite of that concept either, as he had blue eyes:




enter image description here




And was also with 175cm quite average in height:




enter image description hereenter image description here
left: 1935, ltr, Werner von Fritsch, Werner von Blomberg, that man. (via src) / Right: Hochverratsprozeß gegen die Teilnehmer am Münchener Putsch vom 9. Nov. 1923; München 1924




Further more the equation Germans=Aryans is not what was proclaimed to be the case in the first place:




To which race do Europe’s peoples belong?



The peoples of Europe do not belong to a particular race, but are rather a racial mixture. Our German people is comprised primarily of six races.



And what are they?



The Nordic, the Pfalzish (fälische), the Western (westliche) the East Baltic (ostbaltische), the Ostic (ostische), and the Dinarish (dinarische) races.



The German people is, along with the English, Danish, Norwegian, and Swedish, the most racially pure of the European peoples. With regards to the purity of language, the Scandinavian peoples are in first place.



Werner May, Deutscher National-Katechismus 2nd edition (Breslau: Verlag von Heinrich Handel, 1934), pp. 22-26. (Quoted here: The German National Catechism)




And within this 'system' Hitler may be grouped into x% Nordic, y% Dinaric or Ostisch (alpine) and some other colours. That is Southern branch Aryan mainly, not pure, not ideal, but OK (p121). And bein a Führer should clearly indicate that the Nordic component is, well, "dominant"?



And of course, if 'needed', that system was flexible enough to dismiss the 'science' altogether and allow the adage being ascribed to Göring: "Who is Aryan/Jew is what I decide!"




Q Did they ever address this?




Sometimes they did.
During his table-talks Hitler mentioned that for example among ancient Germans it was known that already among the Goths they were known to have non-blondes as well.



The man said this:




Wir alle leiden am Siechtum des gemischten, verdorbenen Blutes. Wie können wir uns reinigen und sühnen? … Das ewige Leben, das der Gral verleiht, gilt nur den wirklich Reinen, Adligen!" (src)

(Translation: We all suffer from the infirmity of mixed, corrupt blood. How can we purify and atone for ourselves? ... The eternal life which the Grail bestows is only for the truly pure, nobles!




The director of the "Institute for Knowledge of the Human Kind" (his own private invention) wrote like a theoretical mathematician:




Den Gedanken, daß Hitler ein Ausländer ist und von der gegnerischen Presse jahrelang als Ausländer beschrieben und in gemeinst verfälschten Bildern gezeigt wurde, möchte ich somit restlos beseitigt haben. Hitler ist blond, hat rosige Haut, ist also rein (arisch-) germanischer Natur, und alle anderen Verbreitungen über sein Aussehen und seine Persönlichkeit hat die schwarze und rote Presse in die Volksseele gesät, was ich hiermit
richtiggestellt haben möchte.




(Translation:

The idea that Hitler was a foreigner and that for years the opposing press had described him as a foreigner and shown him in meanly falsified pictures, I would like to have thus completely eliminated. Hitler is blonde, has rosy skin, is thus pure (Aryan) Germanic in nature, and all other propaganda about his appearance and personality has been sown into the soul of the people by the black and red press, which I would like to have corrected here.




Tobias Ronge: "Das Bild des Herrschers in Malerei und Grafik des Nationalsozialismus: eine Untersuchung zur Ikonografie von Führer- und Funktionärsbildern im Dritten Reich", LIT: Münster, 2010, p 242.




See, that was easy.

Problem solved by scientist.



More general information on the 'exact' definitions (they are all incongruent and convoluted, with competing theories that cannot be reconciled) a nazi centric starting point would be Hans F. K. Günther who wrote Rassenkunde des deutschen Volkes.






Q Did anyone else ever bring it up or point a finger about it?




Others did that offensively.



A well known political whisper joke during the 1930s was




"Wie sieht ein echter Arier aus? –– Blond wie Hitler, groß wie Goebbels und schlank wie Göring und keusch wie Röhm!




What does the ideal Aryan look like? –– Blond like Hitler, tall like Goebbels, slim like Göring and chaste like Röhm.



This German joke was then picked up for propaganda by "others":



enter image description here (src)



enter image description here (src)



Found by @njuffa:




A slightly different version of the joke was used in the American short film "Don't Be A Sucker" from 1943






Tiny commentary: it seems that quite some care has to be taken in balancing the description of internal discrepancies and logical pitfalls of racial theories versus using this information to just say that "Hitler was no Aryan himself". The latter is a captive of these theories and somewhat resembling an accusation towards nazis that 'they weren't racist enough'.







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  • 13





    +1 for the joke part. I was thinking about that too when reading the question.

    – ed.hank
    11 hours ago






  • 1





    I think the definition of blonde is also more complicated than just yellow hair. Dark blonde is a thing but I'm not sure his hair qualified as that either. At some point I recall seeing scales of hair and eye color at some point.

    – JimmyJames
    9 hours ago






  • 3





    My daughter lives in Germany, and is considered to be blonde; in the US it was just light brown, and blonder in the summer. So blonde, in the European sense, runs a range from flaxen to light brown. It does not mean "bleached blond" or "yellow blond", which are mostly unnatural.

    – Peter Diehr
    6 hours ago











  • My hair is the color of a prairie hay bale, and two of my three kids have hair lighter than mine. Their mom chooses to dye her hair from a dark blonde to a strawberry blonde, but it's still fairly yellow underneath. I did a quick over-the-cube-wall survey of men's hair around me (women's hair might be dyed, men's hair probably isn't dyed at all, and if it is, dyed back to its youthful color), and 3/25 are fairly yellow. I know these things vary by geography, but it's not that uncommon.

    – Alex H.
    5 hours ago














  • 13





    +1 for the joke part. I was thinking about that too when reading the question.

    – ed.hank
    11 hours ago






  • 1





    I think the definition of blonde is also more complicated than just yellow hair. Dark blonde is a thing but I'm not sure his hair qualified as that either. At some point I recall seeing scales of hair and eye color at some point.

    – JimmyJames
    9 hours ago






  • 3





    My daughter lives in Germany, and is considered to be blonde; in the US it was just light brown, and blonder in the summer. So blonde, in the European sense, runs a range from flaxen to light brown. It does not mean "bleached blond" or "yellow blond", which are mostly unnatural.

    – Peter Diehr
    6 hours ago











  • My hair is the color of a prairie hay bale, and two of my three kids have hair lighter than mine. Their mom chooses to dye her hair from a dark blonde to a strawberry blonde, but it's still fairly yellow underneath. I did a quick over-the-cube-wall survey of men's hair around me (women's hair might be dyed, men's hair probably isn't dyed at all, and if it is, dyed back to its youthful color), and 3/25 are fairly yellow. I know these things vary by geography, but it's not that uncommon.

    – Alex H.
    5 hours ago








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+1 for the joke part. I was thinking about that too when reading the question.

– ed.hank
11 hours ago





+1 for the joke part. I was thinking about that too when reading the question.

– ed.hank
11 hours ago




1




1





I think the definition of blonde is also more complicated than just yellow hair. Dark blonde is a thing but I'm not sure his hair qualified as that either. At some point I recall seeing scales of hair and eye color at some point.

– JimmyJames
9 hours ago





I think the definition of blonde is also more complicated than just yellow hair. Dark blonde is a thing but I'm not sure his hair qualified as that either. At some point I recall seeing scales of hair and eye color at some point.

– JimmyJames
9 hours ago




3




3





My daughter lives in Germany, and is considered to be blonde; in the US it was just light brown, and blonder in the summer. So blonde, in the European sense, runs a range from flaxen to light brown. It does not mean "bleached blond" or "yellow blond", which are mostly unnatural.

– Peter Diehr
6 hours ago





My daughter lives in Germany, and is considered to be blonde; in the US it was just light brown, and blonder in the summer. So blonde, in the European sense, runs a range from flaxen to light brown. It does not mean "bleached blond" or "yellow blond", which are mostly unnatural.

– Peter Diehr
6 hours ago













My hair is the color of a prairie hay bale, and two of my three kids have hair lighter than mine. Their mom chooses to dye her hair from a dark blonde to a strawberry blonde, but it's still fairly yellow underneath. I did a quick over-the-cube-wall survey of men's hair around me (women's hair might be dyed, men's hair probably isn't dyed at all, and if it is, dyed back to its youthful color), and 3/25 are fairly yellow. I know these things vary by geography, but it's not that uncommon.

– Alex H.
5 hours ago





My hair is the color of a prairie hay bale, and two of my three kids have hair lighter than mine. Their mom chooses to dye her hair from a dark blonde to a strawberry blonde, but it's still fairly yellow underneath. I did a quick over-the-cube-wall survey of men's hair around me (women's hair might be dyed, men's hair probably isn't dyed at all, and if it is, dyed back to its youthful color), and 3/25 are fairly yellow. I know these things vary by geography, but it's not that uncommon.

– Alex H.
5 hours ago










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