Is my plan for fixing my water heater leak bad?
Here is the situation (with pics):
I'm not a plumber but I'm pretty sure this was installed by a moron. See that pan on the bottom? it has a hole in it for a reason, but whomever installed this one thought it would be a good idea to cover it with tape.
So here is what I was gonna do. Tell me how dumb of an idea this is please. First. I've gone out and purchased a new pan for the bottom. I also purchased a round piece of wood exactly the same size as the pan and 6 bricks and the hose you see connected to the drain.
My plan was to turn off the water and gas lines. Drain the thing using the hose. Then hopefully, If I loosen up the restraining straps I should be able to lift the whole contraption up about 4 inches. That will be just enough space to slide the bricks underneath and also the wood on top of the bricks and the new pan on that.
Doing this will raise the pan so that it is slightly higher than the hole in the wall where I plan to add a pipe connected to the pan for drainage.
Speaking of the hole in the wall... You see how there is currently a pipe in that hole? For some reason that I can't really ponder, someone went through the trouble of connecting all of that pipe to the pressure release valve. As far as I can tell those pipes are welded on so that's going to be a problem. My thought's there are that I will take a hacksaw and simply cut the pressure release valve pipe at the bottom right before it would have gone through the wall.
So how dumb is this idea?
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Here is the situation (with pics):
I'm not a plumber but I'm pretty sure this was installed by a moron. See that pan on the bottom? it has a hole in it for a reason, but whomever installed this one thought it would be a good idea to cover it with tape.
So here is what I was gonna do. Tell me how dumb of an idea this is please. First. I've gone out and purchased a new pan for the bottom. I also purchased a round piece of wood exactly the same size as the pan and 6 bricks and the hose you see connected to the drain.
My plan was to turn off the water and gas lines. Drain the thing using the hose. Then hopefully, If I loosen up the restraining straps I should be able to lift the whole contraption up about 4 inches. That will be just enough space to slide the bricks underneath and also the wood on top of the bricks and the new pan on that.
Doing this will raise the pan so that it is slightly higher than the hole in the wall where I plan to add a pipe connected to the pan for drainage.
Speaking of the hole in the wall... You see how there is currently a pipe in that hole? For some reason that I can't really ponder, someone went through the trouble of connecting all of that pipe to the pressure release valve. As far as I can tell those pipes are welded on so that's going to be a problem. My thought's there are that I will take a hacksaw and simply cut the pressure release valve pipe at the bottom right before it would have gone through the wall.
So how dumb is this idea?
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1 - Not clear what the current actual problem is - title says "leak" but I didn't see description of a leak in the body of the posting; 2 - 4" is going to cause problems on everything at the top - flexible in/out water lines aren't always as flexible as you might think and the vent will be seriously affected too; 3 - even empty, a water heater is heavy so lifting it may not be as easy as you think; 4 - be extremely careful about the gas connections - yellow flex should be able to handle 4" of movement but any problem anywhere and you now have a gas leak.
– manassehkatz
11 hours ago
1
Aha! I didn't see the water before. If that yellow flex is to the dryer then the gas piping is an issue to. And I suspect it is a code violation to have the flex for the dryer running in front of the water heater too. I think this is a job for a plumber.
– manassehkatz
10 hours ago
2
OMG there is so much wrong with that photo. Is there even a code in the states?
– Joe Fala
10 hours ago
2
"I'm pretty sure this was installed by a moron." Quite likely, but don't take the same approach to fixing the problem! This whole mess looks like it wants throwing away and replacing with a proper installation IMO.
– alephzero
6 hours ago
1
If the water heater is broken, why are you wasting even five minutes of your time on hokey shims and quick fixes? You'll have to fix it properly quite soon.
– Harper
4 hours ago
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Here is the situation (with pics):
I'm not a plumber but I'm pretty sure this was installed by a moron. See that pan on the bottom? it has a hole in it for a reason, but whomever installed this one thought it would be a good idea to cover it with tape.
So here is what I was gonna do. Tell me how dumb of an idea this is please. First. I've gone out and purchased a new pan for the bottom. I also purchased a round piece of wood exactly the same size as the pan and 6 bricks and the hose you see connected to the drain.
My plan was to turn off the water and gas lines. Drain the thing using the hose. Then hopefully, If I loosen up the restraining straps I should be able to lift the whole contraption up about 4 inches. That will be just enough space to slide the bricks underneath and also the wood on top of the bricks and the new pan on that.
Doing this will raise the pan so that it is slightly higher than the hole in the wall where I plan to add a pipe connected to the pan for drainage.
Speaking of the hole in the wall... You see how there is currently a pipe in that hole? For some reason that I can't really ponder, someone went through the trouble of connecting all of that pipe to the pressure release valve. As far as I can tell those pipes are welded on so that's going to be a problem. My thought's there are that I will take a hacksaw and simply cut the pressure release valve pipe at the bottom right before it would have gone through the wall.
So how dumb is this idea?
water-heater natural-gas
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Here is the situation (with pics):
I'm not a plumber but I'm pretty sure this was installed by a moron. See that pan on the bottom? it has a hole in it for a reason, but whomever installed this one thought it would be a good idea to cover it with tape.
So here is what I was gonna do. Tell me how dumb of an idea this is please. First. I've gone out and purchased a new pan for the bottom. I also purchased a round piece of wood exactly the same size as the pan and 6 bricks and the hose you see connected to the drain.
My plan was to turn off the water and gas lines. Drain the thing using the hose. Then hopefully, If I loosen up the restraining straps I should be able to lift the whole contraption up about 4 inches. That will be just enough space to slide the bricks underneath and also the wood on top of the bricks and the new pan on that.
Doing this will raise the pan so that it is slightly higher than the hole in the wall where I plan to add a pipe connected to the pan for drainage.
Speaking of the hole in the wall... You see how there is currently a pipe in that hole? For some reason that I can't really ponder, someone went through the trouble of connecting all of that pipe to the pressure release valve. As far as I can tell those pipes are welded on so that's going to be a problem. My thought's there are that I will take a hacksaw and simply cut the pressure release valve pipe at the bottom right before it would have gone through the wall.
So how dumb is this idea?
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1 - Not clear what the current actual problem is - title says "leak" but I didn't see description of a leak in the body of the posting; 2 - 4" is going to cause problems on everything at the top - flexible in/out water lines aren't always as flexible as you might think and the vent will be seriously affected too; 3 - even empty, a water heater is heavy so lifting it may not be as easy as you think; 4 - be extremely careful about the gas connections - yellow flex should be able to handle 4" of movement but any problem anywhere and you now have a gas leak.
– manassehkatz
11 hours ago
1
Aha! I didn't see the water before. If that yellow flex is to the dryer then the gas piping is an issue to. And I suspect it is a code violation to have the flex for the dryer running in front of the water heater too. I think this is a job for a plumber.
– manassehkatz
10 hours ago
2
OMG there is so much wrong with that photo. Is there even a code in the states?
– Joe Fala
10 hours ago
2
"I'm pretty sure this was installed by a moron." Quite likely, but don't take the same approach to fixing the problem! This whole mess looks like it wants throwing away and replacing with a proper installation IMO.
– alephzero
6 hours ago
1
If the water heater is broken, why are you wasting even five minutes of your time on hokey shims and quick fixes? You'll have to fix it properly quite soon.
– Harper
4 hours ago
|
show 2 more comments
2
1 - Not clear what the current actual problem is - title says "leak" but I didn't see description of a leak in the body of the posting; 2 - 4" is going to cause problems on everything at the top - flexible in/out water lines aren't always as flexible as you might think and the vent will be seriously affected too; 3 - even empty, a water heater is heavy so lifting it may not be as easy as you think; 4 - be extremely careful about the gas connections - yellow flex should be able to handle 4" of movement but any problem anywhere and you now have a gas leak.
– manassehkatz
11 hours ago
1
Aha! I didn't see the water before. If that yellow flex is to the dryer then the gas piping is an issue to. And I suspect it is a code violation to have the flex for the dryer running in front of the water heater too. I think this is a job for a plumber.
– manassehkatz
10 hours ago
2
OMG there is so much wrong with that photo. Is there even a code in the states?
– Joe Fala
10 hours ago
2
"I'm pretty sure this was installed by a moron." Quite likely, but don't take the same approach to fixing the problem! This whole mess looks like it wants throwing away and replacing with a proper installation IMO.
– alephzero
6 hours ago
1
If the water heater is broken, why are you wasting even five minutes of your time on hokey shims and quick fixes? You'll have to fix it properly quite soon.
– Harper
4 hours ago
2
2
1 - Not clear what the current actual problem is - title says "leak" but I didn't see description of a leak in the body of the posting; 2 - 4" is going to cause problems on everything at the top - flexible in/out water lines aren't always as flexible as you might think and the vent will be seriously affected too; 3 - even empty, a water heater is heavy so lifting it may not be as easy as you think; 4 - be extremely careful about the gas connections - yellow flex should be able to handle 4" of movement but any problem anywhere and you now have a gas leak.
– manassehkatz
11 hours ago
1 - Not clear what the current actual problem is - title says "leak" but I didn't see description of a leak in the body of the posting; 2 - 4" is going to cause problems on everything at the top - flexible in/out water lines aren't always as flexible as you might think and the vent will be seriously affected too; 3 - even empty, a water heater is heavy so lifting it may not be as easy as you think; 4 - be extremely careful about the gas connections - yellow flex should be able to handle 4" of movement but any problem anywhere and you now have a gas leak.
– manassehkatz
11 hours ago
1
1
Aha! I didn't see the water before. If that yellow flex is to the dryer then the gas piping is an issue to. And I suspect it is a code violation to have the flex for the dryer running in front of the water heater too. I think this is a job for a plumber.
– manassehkatz
10 hours ago
Aha! I didn't see the water before. If that yellow flex is to the dryer then the gas piping is an issue to. And I suspect it is a code violation to have the flex for the dryer running in front of the water heater too. I think this is a job for a plumber.
– manassehkatz
10 hours ago
2
2
OMG there is so much wrong with that photo. Is there even a code in the states?
– Joe Fala
10 hours ago
OMG there is so much wrong with that photo. Is there even a code in the states?
– Joe Fala
10 hours ago
2
2
"I'm pretty sure this was installed by a moron." Quite likely, but don't take the same approach to fixing the problem! This whole mess looks like it wants throwing away and replacing with a proper installation IMO.
– alephzero
6 hours ago
"I'm pretty sure this was installed by a moron." Quite likely, but don't take the same approach to fixing the problem! This whole mess looks like it wants throwing away and replacing with a proper installation IMO.
– alephzero
6 hours ago
1
1
If the water heater is broken, why are you wasting even five minutes of your time on hokey shims and quick fixes? You'll have to fix it properly quite soon.
– Harper
4 hours ago
If the water heater is broken, why are you wasting even five minutes of your time on hokey shims and quick fixes? You'll have to fix it properly quite soon.
– Harper
4 hours ago
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If the water on the floor is from the water heater I would fix that problem before I do anything else. If it is coming from the tank then it probably needs replaced. You can raise the tank as high as you want but if you do I would also replace the copper flex water lines and the flexible gas line. Once those lines get older, the flex gets hard and rigid and may break when you re-bend them to the new height. A broken water line or gas leak could be a disaster. And, by the way, the piping off that T&P relief valve is soldered and is not welded indicating to me that you should seek help from someone more knowledgeable than yourself in what you want to accomplish.
Thank's. I suspect you are right on all accounts.
– Dallas Caley
11 hours ago
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No gas shut off for either line, flex is not suitable for a stationary appliance unless it's approved CSST, duct tape on the flue, draft hood is crooked, pressure relief should terminate in a conspicuous location, those flex lines, globe valve, saddle valve, crooked seismic strap, it's old, it's leaking, plus all the problems not visible from the picture. It's time for a change.
add a comment |
There is a reason most countries regulate gas-related equipment strictly, because they don't want buildings to explode. If there is no electricity or gas involved, fix it! If it's under - let's say - 50 Volts, go on! If it's 110-230 V, watch out, but you'll be probably okay. If it can leak gas, and fill up the inside of a building, or kill everyone through CO poisoning, call someone who knows what to do! (and probably certified by either a gas company, a heater manufacturer, or by the government).
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Hello, and welcome to Home Improvement. I removed your commentary; it would have made it more likely that your post be deleted. Without that, it's a reasonable answer: thanks.
– Daniel Griscom
3 hours ago
@Daniel Griscom Knee jerk reaction to the photo, won't let it happen again.
– Joe Fala
3 hours ago
I wrote it because an "ask a professional" answer in a DIY topic is frowned upon, even when it's the correct (and in many places, the legal) answer.
– Nyos
3 hours ago
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If the water on the floor is from the water heater I would fix that problem before I do anything else. If it is coming from the tank then it probably needs replaced. You can raise the tank as high as you want but if you do I would also replace the copper flex water lines and the flexible gas line. Once those lines get older, the flex gets hard and rigid and may break when you re-bend them to the new height. A broken water line or gas leak could be a disaster. And, by the way, the piping off that T&P relief valve is soldered and is not welded indicating to me that you should seek help from someone more knowledgeable than yourself in what you want to accomplish.
Thank's. I suspect you are right on all accounts.
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If the water on the floor is from the water heater I would fix that problem before I do anything else. If it is coming from the tank then it probably needs replaced. You can raise the tank as high as you want but if you do I would also replace the copper flex water lines and the flexible gas line. Once those lines get older, the flex gets hard and rigid and may break when you re-bend them to the new height. A broken water line or gas leak could be a disaster. And, by the way, the piping off that T&P relief valve is soldered and is not welded indicating to me that you should seek help from someone more knowledgeable than yourself in what you want to accomplish.
Thank's. I suspect you are right on all accounts.
– Dallas Caley
11 hours ago
add a comment |
If the water on the floor is from the water heater I would fix that problem before I do anything else. If it is coming from the tank then it probably needs replaced. You can raise the tank as high as you want but if you do I would also replace the copper flex water lines and the flexible gas line. Once those lines get older, the flex gets hard and rigid and may break when you re-bend them to the new height. A broken water line or gas leak could be a disaster. And, by the way, the piping off that T&P relief valve is soldered and is not welded indicating to me that you should seek help from someone more knowledgeable than yourself in what you want to accomplish.
If the water on the floor is from the water heater I would fix that problem before I do anything else. If it is coming from the tank then it probably needs replaced. You can raise the tank as high as you want but if you do I would also replace the copper flex water lines and the flexible gas line. Once those lines get older, the flex gets hard and rigid and may break when you re-bend them to the new height. A broken water line or gas leak could be a disaster. And, by the way, the piping off that T&P relief valve is soldered and is not welded indicating to me that you should seek help from someone more knowledgeable than yourself in what you want to accomplish.
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Thank's. I suspect you are right on all accounts.
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Thank's. I suspect you are right on all accounts.
– Dallas Caley
11 hours ago
Thank's. I suspect you are right on all accounts.
– Dallas Caley
11 hours ago
Thank's. I suspect you are right on all accounts.
– Dallas Caley
11 hours ago
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No gas shut off for either line, flex is not suitable for a stationary appliance unless it's approved CSST, duct tape on the flue, draft hood is crooked, pressure relief should terminate in a conspicuous location, those flex lines, globe valve, saddle valve, crooked seismic strap, it's old, it's leaking, plus all the problems not visible from the picture. It's time for a change.
add a comment |
No gas shut off for either line, flex is not suitable for a stationary appliance unless it's approved CSST, duct tape on the flue, draft hood is crooked, pressure relief should terminate in a conspicuous location, those flex lines, globe valve, saddle valve, crooked seismic strap, it's old, it's leaking, plus all the problems not visible from the picture. It's time for a change.
add a comment |
No gas shut off for either line, flex is not suitable for a stationary appliance unless it's approved CSST, duct tape on the flue, draft hood is crooked, pressure relief should terminate in a conspicuous location, those flex lines, globe valve, saddle valve, crooked seismic strap, it's old, it's leaking, plus all the problems not visible from the picture. It's time for a change.
No gas shut off for either line, flex is not suitable for a stationary appliance unless it's approved CSST, duct tape on the flue, draft hood is crooked, pressure relief should terminate in a conspicuous location, those flex lines, globe valve, saddle valve, crooked seismic strap, it's old, it's leaking, plus all the problems not visible from the picture. It's time for a change.
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There is a reason most countries regulate gas-related equipment strictly, because they don't want buildings to explode. If there is no electricity or gas involved, fix it! If it's under - let's say - 50 Volts, go on! If it's 110-230 V, watch out, but you'll be probably okay. If it can leak gas, and fill up the inside of a building, or kill everyone through CO poisoning, call someone who knows what to do! (and probably certified by either a gas company, a heater manufacturer, or by the government).
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Hello, and welcome to Home Improvement. I removed your commentary; it would have made it more likely that your post be deleted. Without that, it's a reasonable answer: thanks.
– Daniel Griscom
3 hours ago
@Daniel Griscom Knee jerk reaction to the photo, won't let it happen again.
– Joe Fala
3 hours ago
I wrote it because an "ask a professional" answer in a DIY topic is frowned upon, even when it's the correct (and in many places, the legal) answer.
– Nyos
3 hours ago
add a comment |
There is a reason most countries regulate gas-related equipment strictly, because they don't want buildings to explode. If there is no electricity or gas involved, fix it! If it's under - let's say - 50 Volts, go on! If it's 110-230 V, watch out, but you'll be probably okay. If it can leak gas, and fill up the inside of a building, or kill everyone through CO poisoning, call someone who knows what to do! (and probably certified by either a gas company, a heater manufacturer, or by the government).
New contributor
1
Hello, and welcome to Home Improvement. I removed your commentary; it would have made it more likely that your post be deleted. Without that, it's a reasonable answer: thanks.
– Daniel Griscom
3 hours ago
@Daniel Griscom Knee jerk reaction to the photo, won't let it happen again.
– Joe Fala
3 hours ago
I wrote it because an "ask a professional" answer in a DIY topic is frowned upon, even when it's the correct (and in many places, the legal) answer.
– Nyos
3 hours ago
add a comment |
There is a reason most countries regulate gas-related equipment strictly, because they don't want buildings to explode. If there is no electricity or gas involved, fix it! If it's under - let's say - 50 Volts, go on! If it's 110-230 V, watch out, but you'll be probably okay. If it can leak gas, and fill up the inside of a building, or kill everyone through CO poisoning, call someone who knows what to do! (and probably certified by either a gas company, a heater manufacturer, or by the government).
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There is a reason most countries regulate gas-related equipment strictly, because they don't want buildings to explode. If there is no electricity or gas involved, fix it! If it's under - let's say - 50 Volts, go on! If it's 110-230 V, watch out, but you'll be probably okay. If it can leak gas, and fill up the inside of a building, or kill everyone through CO poisoning, call someone who knows what to do! (and probably certified by either a gas company, a heater manufacturer, or by the government).
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Hello, and welcome to Home Improvement. I removed your commentary; it would have made it more likely that your post be deleted. Without that, it's a reasonable answer: thanks.
– Daniel Griscom
3 hours ago
@Daniel Griscom Knee jerk reaction to the photo, won't let it happen again.
– Joe Fala
3 hours ago
I wrote it because an "ask a professional" answer in a DIY topic is frowned upon, even when it's the correct (and in many places, the legal) answer.
– Nyos
3 hours ago
add a comment |
1
Hello, and welcome to Home Improvement. I removed your commentary; it would have made it more likely that your post be deleted. Without that, it's a reasonable answer: thanks.
– Daniel Griscom
3 hours ago
@Daniel Griscom Knee jerk reaction to the photo, won't let it happen again.
– Joe Fala
3 hours ago
I wrote it because an "ask a professional" answer in a DIY topic is frowned upon, even when it's the correct (and in many places, the legal) answer.
– Nyos
3 hours ago
1
1
Hello, and welcome to Home Improvement. I removed your commentary; it would have made it more likely that your post be deleted. Without that, it's a reasonable answer: thanks.
– Daniel Griscom
3 hours ago
Hello, and welcome to Home Improvement. I removed your commentary; it would have made it more likely that your post be deleted. Without that, it's a reasonable answer: thanks.
– Daniel Griscom
3 hours ago
@Daniel Griscom Knee jerk reaction to the photo, won't let it happen again.
– Joe Fala
3 hours ago
@Daniel Griscom Knee jerk reaction to the photo, won't let it happen again.
– Joe Fala
3 hours ago
I wrote it because an "ask a professional" answer in a DIY topic is frowned upon, even when it's the correct (and in many places, the legal) answer.
– Nyos
3 hours ago
I wrote it because an "ask a professional" answer in a DIY topic is frowned upon, even when it's the correct (and in many places, the legal) answer.
– Nyos
3 hours ago
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1 - Not clear what the current actual problem is - title says "leak" but I didn't see description of a leak in the body of the posting; 2 - 4" is going to cause problems on everything at the top - flexible in/out water lines aren't always as flexible as you might think and the vent will be seriously affected too; 3 - even empty, a water heater is heavy so lifting it may not be as easy as you think; 4 - be extremely careful about the gas connections - yellow flex should be able to handle 4" of movement but any problem anywhere and you now have a gas leak.
– manassehkatz
11 hours ago
1
Aha! I didn't see the water before. If that yellow flex is to the dryer then the gas piping is an issue to. And I suspect it is a code violation to have the flex for the dryer running in front of the water heater too. I think this is a job for a plumber.
– manassehkatz
10 hours ago
2
OMG there is so much wrong with that photo. Is there even a code in the states?
– Joe Fala
10 hours ago
2
"I'm pretty sure this was installed by a moron." Quite likely, but don't take the same approach to fixing the problem! This whole mess looks like it wants throwing away and replacing with a proper installation IMO.
– alephzero
6 hours ago
1
If the water heater is broken, why are you wasting even five minutes of your time on hokey shims and quick fixes? You'll have to fix it properly quite soon.
– Harper
4 hours ago